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Tuesday
Jun192012

WaWa-gate

Oh how the liberal media loves to spin themselves into a dizzy spell.

The most recent attempt come from Andrea Mitchell who took an over-edited speech from a Mitt Romney stop and tried to turn it into another “supermarket scanner” moment a la George H. W. Bush., with hopes of stuffing it into the tired old template of "oh my gosh, Republicans are so out of touch!"

In doing so however, she failed to get the desired Mitt = Bush 41 outcome she hoped, instead landing herself in her very own Dan Rather moment:

Here is the edited video:

And the video before MSNBC's deceitful clipping:

The following is what the media wanted to edit out so it would appear that Romney was simply baffled by convenience store technology (i.e. out of touch):

(Per SooperMexican.com)

“People in the private sector have learned to compete and it’s time to bring some competition to the Federal Government and to get it smaller, and have them respond to the customers, which are YOU!!”

Oh, Andrea Mitchell...   and here I thought becoming a staple of MSNBC was the death rattle to your career.    Now you're an MSNBC reporter caught in a whopper.    I don't see how it could be any worse for your credibiliy... at least without changing your name to Ed Schultz.

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Journalistic. Embarrassment.

June 19, 2012 at 15:10 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

More like "Wha-Wha" gate. Quit crying about the media. It doesn't take a trip to WaWa to know that Romney is out of touch. Anyway, this is small potatoes stuff. I learn much more about Romney when he talks about corporations being people, or that he is against the Dream Act or that he believes America needs less cops, teachers and firefighters.

June 19, 2012 at 15:21 | Registered CommenterChoy Lee Mu

Shorter Choy: Fake but accurate.

June 19, 2012 at 15:33 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

What exactly does it mean to have competition with government?

Private militaries?
Private roads and bridges?
Privatitize all schools?
Private EPA?

This is actually a fairly telling statement out of Romney. He seems to imply that he doesn't feel that that private sector business is beneath public sector government. He thinks that private sector business is in competition with the public sectors and it it's equal.

And didn't we used to have private sector competition for Medicare and Social Security in the way of pensions and retiree healthcare? I could have sworn that the private sectors screamed uncle and asked for the glorious government set up 401k programs?

June 19, 2012 at 15:53 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Kwawk, so why didn't msnbc go with your analysis instead of engagining in journalistic fraud?

June 19, 2012 at 16:13 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

kwawk;

Except for the private EPA, we already have the other three. As for WaWa gate; if there is one candidate who gets technology (it's not Barry), it's Romney. It's laughable that MSNBC would strike out so bad on this hit piece. Of course we had the Larry O'Donnell hit piece yesterday laughing about her MS. Ah' yes those caring, understanding POS at MSNBC.

June 19, 2012 at 16:29 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Mach - For the same reason all of the right wing media sources went about screaming 'Obama says private sector doing fine' after Obama's jobs speech.

Why don't they go with my arguements? Because my arguments are a little more intellectual and nuanced. A little more Democrat as one might say. Dems have tried intellectual and nuanced for years only to be shouted down by such brilliant arguments as 'Drill Baby Drill!'

As I've said before, we're learning to do it your way.

June 19, 2012 at 17:17 | Registered Commenterkwawk

We have private schools yes. If you're willing to admit that orgaizations like Blackwater actually represent mercenary armies, then I admire you're courage. You and kos share a viewpoint there.

As for private roads, no, we really don't have those. We have roads with privatized management, but I don't believe that the private sector in this country has built many roads other than those which exist in gated communities.

The private sector simply can not compete economically with emminent domain. And if I remember correctly you guys aren't terriby fond of the idea of using emminent domain to transfer property to third party private businesses.

June 19, 2012 at 17:22 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Andrea Mitchell is either a conniving member of the Obamedia and is deliberately putting forth a doctored clip, or she is a boob of wholesale ignorance who was spoon fed a doctored clip and mindlessly parroted the DNC Talking Point Du Jour. Either way, she is no journalist.

June 19, 2012 at 17:29 | Unregistered Commenter1RedBeard

A correction on my own post. When developers build sub-divisions, they will build the roads in that community, but unless it is a gated community, they will only do so with the intention that the local government will take over responsibility for those roads within a specified period of time.

June 19, 2012 at 17:32 | Registered Commenterkwawk

For the same reason all of the right wing media sources went about screaming 'Obama says private sector doing fine' after Obama's jobs speech.

Did the "right wing media sources" edit the video of Obama's speech to make him say the private sector is doing fine?

June 19, 2012 at 18:36 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

Yes Mach, Obama's statement was just as edited to make Obama look bad.

What Obama said was that the private sector had created 4.3 million jobs and was doing fine, and if we'd kept public employment stable over the past 3 years unemployment would be a full percentage point lower.

June 19, 2012 at 18:53 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Actually, Obama should thank them. The full context of his comment completely exposes his economic obliviousness.

June 19, 2012 at 20:12 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

Give Obama a break. When he told the whopper about the private sector doing fine, he probably just got his teeth tangled in another big glob of chewing gum, and that caused the words to come out wrong. You know, chewing gum, the same stuff Mr. Classy Obama was grinding away on during the G20 meeting, looking like a dimwitted cud-chewing bovine.

June 19, 2012 at 20:12 | Registered CommenterRedBeard

lmao So it is grounds for tears when you think your guy is poorly edited but it's great when it's the other guy. Got it.

Anyways, Mitt seems to be having an orgasm in his pant about how this place had found a way to make customers enter in their own orders in the cash register, this taking a person making $7 and hour out of the equation.

Go free market!

June 19, 2012 at 21:10 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Anyways, Mitt seems to be having an orgasm in his pant about how this place had found a way to make customers enter in their own orders in the cash register, this taking a person making $7 and hour out of the equation.

Damn those job-killing ATMs!

June 19, 2012 at 21:35 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

Ya see ATMs are useful as they enable you to conduct banking after hours when nobody is in the bank. Or conduct your banking at someone else's bank. Or even in the mall.

When I go to McDonald's and can order a Whopper with Cheese then you'll have something!

June 19, 2012 at 22:09 | Registered Commenterkwawk

When KwAwk goes to McDonald's and orders a Burger King Whopper with Cheese, then Mach will have something?

What will Mach have?

June 19, 2012 at 22:19 | Registered CommenterDuff, man

kwawk, this isn't a snippet of what one said... like the Mitt Romney "I like to fire people" statement that's being used over and over again... that's a tiny fragment of a statement that politicians should know better than to say because we all know it'll be used in attack ad, after attack ad, after attack ad... only because it's simple. it's the game partisan people play, and I get it... It's like giving the enemy bullets. You don't expect them to go unused.

Yes, It's petty when Fox takes tiny bits and pieces and leaves out the context, it's petty when CNN, MSNBC and every other news outlet does it too... however when there's this blatant of an agenda, more people should call them out on it. This was a complete edit that deceptively danced around the context in 3 mashed clips hoping like hell it would make Mitt Romney look a certain way to people. Seriously... do they really need to try this hard and in this manner to give an MSNBC audience a negative opinion of Romney? Are things this bad for the left?

If it was a responsible network they'd fire every person that thought this was a good idea because now all sorts of people will be questioning EVERY video they run, but because it's just them they'll embrace those individuals with a sympathetic hug and a "better luck next time". Perhaps that's part of the reason their ratings continue to drop.

b.t.w.. was that 4.3 million jobs created or saved, or just 4.3 million jobs* (which is actually the same thing, only the last one sounds better and sports a cool asterisk, just like it's a Barry Bonds home run record). I mean really, it's so hard to keep all these deceptive tactics straight. Does he ever factor in any jobs lost under his leadership or would that be too transparent? We're still down in regards to job loss and massive spending is the main thing we can say led to a "recovery". Massive spending bills that were wrong under Bush and wrong under Obama. We're robbing Peter to pay Paul. It'd be like a guy tanking his business, asking his family to pay for it, then running around telling everybody how great he is at managing his business having pulled it back from the brink... only in this case the family is us and the guy is Obama, and when we question why he keeps taking credit for it, it's all because they weren't his problems that caused it... it was all the fault of the previous CEO (Bush). That bird ain't flyin' anymore.

Anyway... back to MSDNC...
That's right Andrea Mitchell... don't apologize... don't correct it... it's just a gaffe... just lie some more... 'we didn't have time for all of it'. All what? All 10 extra seconds? Every "amazing" desciption of WaWa's was more important?

Look, it's total bullshit, everybody knows it's bullshit, she avoided correcting or apologizing for it and now she'll have to deal with the blowback... and if you follow twitter she's getting mauled over it from the right AND left. So is MSNBC. Most already knew she wasn't an objective "journalist", but this merely proved her to be a total hack as well... just ask David Shuster.

I think what's even funnier is that a day late and a dollar short, CNN's Howard Kurtz thought he stumbled into the story, when in fact it was just another blogger that broke the video down and discovered it's lie. Poor Howard Kurtz... I think he really thought he was onto something too.

For a good time go here and see "breaking" news leads being sent to Kurtz to investigate.

June 19, 2012 at 22:59 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Hunger pangs.

June 19, 2012 at 22:59 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Well skinny, hopefully we can agree that it is stupid when both sides do it, but it is odd that you say the outlets besides foxnews's viewship declines over such silly stuff but foxnews' viewership doesn't. I wonder why that is.

What exactly was Romney's point in this whole thing? That the free market innovates?

Okay but doesn't the government innovate too? Wasn't government innovation behind the internet? Behind night vision goggles? Behind rocket and jet technology? Behind teflon and kevlar? So Wa Wa's automated its ordering system, but didn't the IRS automate how we file tax returns years ago?

In general Romney's point isn't that profound.

Besides, we may be borrowing Peter to pay Paul but only because we keep cutting taxes below the amount require to run the government. It's like voluntarily taking a lower paying job and then blaming the bank because you can't pay your mortgage.

June 19, 2012 at 23:08 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Megan McCain: "Apologies, I said the unemployment rate was at almost 9%, I have been corrected that it's 8.5%."

(lol)

June 19, 2012 at 23:36 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

True journalism, never edits to achieve a biased opinion. Never.

June 19, 2012 at 23:45 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

I agree Gray. But I think the real reason people are making fun of Mitt Romney is that he keeps referring to this technology in Wa Wa's as AMAZING when the rest of the people in this country would classify it as kinda neat at best.

June 20, 2012 at 00:49 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Weak, KwAwk, very weak.

Technology that we all use can be, and is, amazing. This internetty "series of tubes" we're using right now is amazing.

If you had a Star Trek transporter station in your rumpus room, you probably still couldn't bring yourself to call it amazing. Well, not unless it came with a cardboard cutout of Obama, with a cartoon balloon coming out of his mouth saying: "I made this."

June 20, 2012 at 06:37 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

kwawk;

Again; of the two candidates running for President it's not even close on which one understands technology (sorry Barry.) In the 80’s 90’s Bain was in on the funding for many tech start-ups in Silicon Valley. You don’t pitch millions at projects without first understanding the product.

The left likes to portray Obama as the second coming of Steve Jobs because he wears a Blackberry. Knowing how to send email and txt doesn't make you a tech guru. Just like everything else about Obama, it’s all spin, puffery or lies.

June 20, 2012 at 07:41 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

The touch screen technology that Romney is all gaga over would have been amazing 25 years ago. I remember running CNC machines with touchscreen controls in the mid-90s. There is nothing new about this technology and most people don't find it amazing anymore. The thrill is gone.

June 20, 2012 at 09:28 | Registered Commenterkwawk

kwawk;

Don't make me start addressing you as "Andrea." Romney wasn't excited about touch screens, he was showing how the private sector continues to innovate even in areas as mundane as ordering a sandwich. As I said, he gets technology and probably saw this stuff years before we knew of it.

June 20, 2012 at 10:17 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Yes, It's petty when Fox takes tiny bits and pieces and leaves out the context, it's petty when CNN, MSNBC and every other news outlet does it too... however when there's this blatant of an agenda, more people should call them out on it.

How about when a "news outlet" lies outright? I mean, tells a huge, audacious, grotesque, obvious lie? What should happen?

June 20, 2012 at 10:26 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

You mean like Dan Rather did?

June 20, 2012 at 10:40 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

Is MSNBC all excited over the serious fact that our illustrious Phony-in-Chief has just used (misused) executive privilege to help Holder stonewall Congress? Or are the talking heads all too busy chuckling over their little ploy of using a doctored clip to make Romney seen out of touch?

Silly of me. MSNBC answered those questions already, by their own actions.

June 20, 2012 at 10:47 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

TM - We didn't get to have the most technologically advanced military in the world because government refuses to innovate. We didn't get to be the first country with a man on the moon because the government refuses to innovate. We didn't get to be the country that invented the internet because government refuses to innovate. We didn't get to be that drove computer and sattelite technology because government refuses to innovate.

So Romney tried to make the point that the private sector innovates the means of making a sandwich. To which everybody sarcastically went...... Ooooooooooohh!!!

June 20, 2012 at 11:04 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Red - Are you aware that Fast and Furious started in 2006? That the Bushies ran the operation for 3 years before Obama took office?

Let me guess, Foxnews forgot to mention that to you?

June 20, 2012 at 11:09 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Oh, stop it, kwAwk. I don't care which administration is guilty of what. Wrong is wrong. ANYONE involved in the stupid actions leading to the death of Agent Brian Terry needs to be held accountable.

Who is stonewalling the investigation, the Bush administration, or the Obama administration? Oh, wait... that's right... the Bush crowd has been gone for three and a half years.

Remember Watergate? The coverup was the real crime. Short memory?

June 20, 2012 at 11:51 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

How about when a "news outlet" lies outright? I mean, tells a huge, audacious, grotesque, obvious lie? What should happen?

Are you actually choosing to go with this topic by talking about MSNBC...
... or are you still hung up on that other thing?

I already said that it was originally stated as discrepancies in the voter rolls when compared to the DMV records and then (apparently... I dunno, you haven't posted a single, solitary link for me to see w.t.f. you're truly talking about... not one) misreported or misstated as being all "illegal" voters. From what I was aware of the number was much higher last year and even a month ago they said there discovered 53,000 DEAD voters... that's not people that moved, illegal, felons, etc... that's DEAD, as in a 3-letter word for Biden... D-E-A-D. At that time they also said up to 3,000 illegals (many of which have been verified before being blocked by the Obama Administration) could be in the the rolls as well.

From what I see it sounds like they reported the number of total discrepancies and called them illegal (and if so I agreee, they should have said something along the lines of "ineligible"), but you're acting as if they just dropped the atomic bomb on Disney World. It's a total fucking travesty to you. You want a Vicodin? I got Vicodin.

Yeah, completely "audacious" considering the dead already amount for more than half the number you've been tossing around, which i already told was far less than originally reported back in October. We won't know the actual number because the Obama Administration is blocking them from getting a more accurate assessment.... obvious, grotesque and audacious, I tells ya!. Transparency in Government... boy he sure set the example on that one.

The numbers are still the same... who said what is more a distraction from the actual facts in my book seeing as I still haven't even been directed to w.t.f. you're talking about. If you want to turn this into who said what and bury your head in the sand when the topic of the actual problem is discussed, be my guest.. but at least do us the favor of posting links to what you're ranting about so it presents itself as lucrative to the discussion.

June 20, 2012 at 12:11 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Red - The whole Fast and Furious thing is being driven by Darryl Issa, the most hyperpartisan self aggrandizing egomaniac in the congress who promised when Republicans took back the house last year to use his committee chairmanship to harrass the Obama administration with endless hearings and subpeonas.

Surprise surprise surprise! He's doing exactly what he said he would do!

June 20, 2012 at 13:38 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Thank you, skinny. Thank you. And thank you again. The one and only person not such an absolute coward and moral degenerate that he actually RESPONDS. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. I appreciate your courage and forthrightness, skinny. I don’t agree with you, obviously, but at least you’re willing to be responsive instead of just being blindly (and irrelevantly) abusive.

I already said that it was originally stated as discrepancies in the voter rolls when compared to the DMV records . . . you haven't posted a single, solitary link for me to see w.t.f. you're truly talking about... not one

Fair enough, But frankly I’m at a disadvantage here. I don’t know what the hell the Propaganda Network host and the Florida Attorney General are talking about. They seem to have pulled a colossal —let’s face it—an unbelievable number completely out of their asses. How’m I spozed to respond when I have no idea what they’re talking about? The Governor said he’d found eighty seven people who voted illegally. (Wait, eighty-seven who registered to vote despite being ineligible, and fifty of them managed to cast votes, that is, VOTED ILLEGALLY.) Suddenly, they’ve identified an additional 99,913? What’d I miss?

Let me tell you how backward and old-fashioned I am: I’m still so old-fashioned that I think “illegal voter” means “someone who voted illegally.” Dead people still listed on the registration rolls are not illegal voters. They might be a problem but they’re not “illegal voters.” They’re dead people whose names haven’t been removed from the registration rolls.
From what I see it sounds like they reported the number of total discrepancies and called them illegal [voters] (and if so I agree, they should have said something along the lines of "ineligible"), but you're acting as if they just dropped the atomic bomb on Disney World. It's a total fucking travesty to you.

It is, and you know why? Because for some length of time between next Tuesday and the End of Time, Tom Miller and all the little even dimmer Tom Millers, if you can even imagine that, are going to be repeating that a hundred thousand people voted illegally in Florida. And I’m sick and tired of shoveling so much wing nut bullshit I feel like I’m buried in a mountain of it. At this point it’s not an honest mistake, it’s a tactic. I think that’s clear.


Thank you, skinny. You have my respect. The rest of you are degenerate mendacious cowards. You don't.

June 20, 2012 at 15:17 | Registered CommenterWinston

I could use some clarification here myself skinny. When you are talking about voter rolls are you talking about registered voters or people who cast votes. It's really two different things.

In any case there are 11.3 million registered voters in Florida. If you found 53 thousand dead people still on the voter registration rolls that means that Florida's voter registration rolls are accurate to within 0.46%.

June 20, 2012 at 16:38 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Kwawk, I believe they base their data off of registered voters... then compare those to the DMV records (which is where most people register to vote anyway, so the discrepancies between them and the voter rolls should be the most minimal when compared to that over other government agencies.

And do I need to remind you of how many elections have been won by a far slighter margin?


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(you're calling me an asshole right now.... aren't you ?o)

June 20, 2012 at 20:26 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

lmao not out loud.

June 20, 2012 at 22:44 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Cleaning up the voter rolls is a good thing, a proper thing, and a duty of the state elections officials. When the Obama/Holder crowd try to stop the effort, one must ask why. The answer is obvious. Most of the illegitimate voters that would be removed are likely to be Obama voters, so the effort to stop Florida from doing its job is purely a calculated political power play.

This is the way this justice department functions, as a political strong-arm organization, from trying to stop Florida from doing it's job, to messing with Arizona over immigration laws, to running Fast and Furious as a means to weaken the 2nd Amendment, to failing completely in the matter of voter intimidation by the NBPP. All political calculations, not "justice."

Holder is a crooked hack, working for another crooked hack. This has to end in November.

By the way, Skinny, are you trying to say that W actually won Florida in 2000? Godfrey Daniel!

June 21, 2012 at 06:29 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

When the Obama/Holder crowd try to stop the effort, one must ask why. The answer is obvious.

It violates Federal law, asshole.

Most of the illegitimate voters that would be removed are likely to be Obama voters, so the effort to stop Florida from doing its job is purely a calculated political power play.

Uh, your projection is showing. The “calculated political power play” comes from prevail-at-any-cost assholes whose extremism is so unpopular they know full well they can’t win elections unless they can keep thousands of legitimate voters from having their ballots counted.

June 21, 2012 at 07:37 | Registered CommenterWinston

You used "asshole" twice, Winston. Try not being quite so redundant. It's tiresome.

I can tell that it's hard for you to be creative while caught up in one of your childish little clenched-fist foot-stamping fits of pique, but perhaps a thesaurus might help.

June 21, 2012 at 07:55 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Holder is a crooked hack, working for another crooked hack. This has to end in November.!

Assuming both make it to November

By the way, Skinny, are you trying to say that W actually won Florida in 2000?

No, no, no... just wanted to point to a close race that had nationwide implications... and that one I figured still rubs damn near every Democrat I know in a bad, bad, bad way... lmoa.

Had there been found to be 3,000 illegals voting for Bush after that election it's no giant stretch of the imagination to hear how different a tune Democrats would be whistling in regards to voter fraud.

June 21, 2012 at 09:33 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Had there been found to be 3,000 illegals voting for Bush after that election it's no giant stretch of the imagination to hear how different a tune Democrats would be whistling in regards to voter fraud.

I’d like to think that’s not true. I can only say I would want them thrown out.

Actually, though, we’ve had some more or less controlled experiments as to whether Democrats are as unprincipled as Republicans. It should surprise no one that each Party tries to get its own votes counted and the others disqualified (for instance, the 2000 absentee ballots from military service members the Rs wanted counted—despite that they’d missed the deadline or lacked postmarks )
Each side wants laws strictly enforced if that benefits them or laxly enforced if it doesn’t. Fair enough and not that surprising. But what’s striking is that Republicans often seem willing to break the law while Democrats generally won’t.

First example: the Florida Brooks Brothers riot, where screaming thugs shut down a court-ordered ballot recount in progress. Second example: also in Florida, there’s a reason there’s a window before elections in which, by law, voting purges are supposed to stop—it’s so legitimate voters whose eligibility has been challenged have a chance to prove they’re legitimate. Here, the Rethugs are perfectly willing to defy federal law to make sure they don’t have that chance.

The Rethugs’ deepening contempt for law and democracy is really starting to scare me. People willing to replace the rule of law and democratic voting with physical muscle are heading down a very ugly road.

June 21, 2012 at 14:02 | Registered CommenterWinston

Redbeard -- An accuracy rate of 99.5% in the voter registration rolls is a fairly strong indicator that the local officials were doing a pretty good job of maintaining their voter registration rolls. Considering if Florida had an average death rate, they would have 125,000 deaths a year to account for, and considering Florida's demographics skew older, it's probably much higher than that. Imagine what the voter registration books must have looked like before computers.

0.46% of registered voters being blown up like this, especially considering no evidence has been provided indicating that there were any 'dead voters' would indicate that there has to be another reason for why this is happening, and that reason for this is the right wing need to try to disqualify as many legitimate voters as possible.

The right in this country is in a panic to enact laws to make it harder for people to vote without providing any evidence that there is a need for the panic. Somebody is causing this panic to happen, it's not happening by accident.

Even bringing up Bush vs Gore is a sideshow as you've not shown that having an error rate of 0.46% results in any more votes being cast.

June 21, 2012 at 17:34 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Let me add that it is amazing how marching orders get issued on the right and you guys fall in line without questioning anything you're being told. It's like you've taken the suspension of disbelief normally reserved for book or movies or other works of fiction and have applied it to politics and economics.

June 21, 2012 at 17:40 | Registered Commenterkwawk

To talk about Bush vs Gore again in this context, after that election there was a call for a few years by the left to ensure that we had electronic voting machines with an auditable paper trail to ensure election machines worked correctly. The right fought this with everything they had.

And now a few years later you're all up in arms about a 0.46% error rate in voter registration roles? It makes no rational sense whatsoever.

June 21, 2012 at 18:06 | Registered Commenterkwawk

I've been calling for voter identification since I could vote... so almost half my life. It's no recent thing for me. It's common sense. You want elections to be fair and to stay fair.

June 21, 2012 at 21:07 | Unregistered Commenterskinnydipinacid

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