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Our President, Selling Out Israel, Again


Once again, our president has chosen the wrong side.  In his continuing and aggressive campaign to damage Israel's ability to defend herself, Obama has sent his minions forth to reveal very sensitive details about Israel's military planning and readiness. 

In Obama's ideologically-driven fantasy world, he actually believes he can negotiate with Tehran, if only those nasty old Israelis will just back off and let the Iranians go nuclear.  Empower the totalitarian Iranian thugs, and destroy Israel, America's greatest ally, the only free society in the region.  This is, of course, insane policy.  But consider that it comes from the same mind that proposes pond scum and exploding cars as the answers to high gasoline prices. 

We cannot allow this left-wing fanatic to remain in office for another four years.  Free from the PR constraints of running for re-election (note: see his hot mic conspiring with the Russians), he will feel empowered to go full throttle in his attempt to remake America, and the world map, with his demented vision of a Marxist Utopia.  No greater internal threat to our future has ever existed than this Quisling we now have sitting in the Oval Office.     

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"sent his minions forth . . . left-wing fanatic . . . demented vision of a Marxist Utopia"

Man, talk about an "ideologically-driven fantasy world." It's just All Projection, All The Time, isn't it?

April 2, 2012 at 12:16 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

Hello, Winston. Please, feel free to discuss the actual issue. Really, it's OK to participate.

April 2, 2012 at 13:25 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Seriously? “The actual issue”? If I wanted to play along, I’d point out that whether or to what extent a US Administration encourages or discourages a US ally to inflict a unilateral military strike on its neighbor (possibly setting off a regional conflict), is a matter much too serious than to allow the extreme right to use it to score the cheapest of domestic political points.

But I don’t. I’m just pointing out how beyond silly it would be trying to address any “actual issue” with people who ACTUALLY BELIEVE the President to be “a left-wing fanatic” with a “demented vision of a Marxist Utopia” and the greatest threat to the nation’s future that ever existed. The only “actual issue” is their lunacy. If you want to calm down we could have an actual discussion, maybe with a starting point like the fact that the President’s oath was to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, not the Likud wing of the Israeli government.

April 2, 2012 at 14:01 | Registered CommenterWinston

"...the President’s oath was to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States..."

When, exactly, does he plan to start doing this?

Put down the Kool-Aid, Winston.

April 2, 2012 at 14:55 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Does anyone think it's out of the realm of possibilities that this administration wouldn't leak Israel's handshake agreements for military re-fueling stops with neighbors who have ideological issues with Iran? The Israel air force is probably concerned Obama will send the mullahs the flight paths to Iran for their fighters.

April 2, 2012 at 16:09 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

I sure do love having someone who thinks the President's “a left-wing fanatic” with a “demented vision of a Marxist Utopia" tell ME to put down the Kool-Aiid.

You know, if you really believe he's the greatest threat the Republic ever faced, don't you have a moral right and obligation to set off across the White House lawn with Second Amendment remedy in hand? I mean, if you don't take your OWN rhetoric seriously, why should anyone else?

April 2, 2012 at 22:36 | Registered CommenterWinston

“don't you have a moral right and obligation to set off across the White House lawn with Second Amendment remedy in hand?”

History shows that’s how liberals handle business (see John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, Squeaky Fromme Sirhan Sirhan etc,etc,etc) not conservatives.

April 3, 2012 at 07:28 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Winston, your deranged post at 22:36 is the new Exhibit One in a long list of exhibits informing us that you are mentally disturbed in the clinical sense.

You have earned no other response.

April 3, 2012 at 07:52 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Thomas, good catch on the cast of assassins.

By the way, I note that Winston did NOT call me a racist this time, for opposing President Quisling's policies. At first, I thought maybe he might have reflected upon it, and realized how stunningly stupid such things make him appear. But in reality, he must have just forgotten. I'm sure he will make up for the omission at a later date, and thereby restore our confidence in him.

April 3, 2012 at 08:04 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

that’s how liberals handle business (see John Wilkes Booth

Hoo boy. Could I make that up?

I'll say one thing: the man never disappoints. He's wrong pretty much every time he opens his mouth.

April 3, 2012 at 08:15 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

"No greater internal threat to our future has ever existed" referring to our current President sounds pretty deranged to me. Nuts who believe in this sort of hysterical drivel are often moved to violence. I'm asking whether you actually believe this or just like the sound of your own voice.

April 3, 2012 at 08:32 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

Of course I believe it. At least Julius and Ethel Rosenberg had the decency to sell us out on only one issue.

And, of course, you are utterly and hopelessly insane, and a vile and disgusting excuse for a man, to draw any progression from my distain for Obama to vigilante violence on my part. But we've already determined your mental instability. Or, I should say that you have proven it to us, over time, post after post, sophomoric imbecility after sophomoric imbecility. You really have no need to offer further proof.

April 3, 2012 at 09:27 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Quite on the contrary, history teaches us there’s often a direct line from the sort of racist and fascist bile you’re constantly spouting to explosive political violence. Either you take your peculiar beliefs about the President endangering the nation seriously or you just enjoy nonsensical apocalyptic blather. I’m trying to figure out which it is.

I do urge the both of you to freely share your bizarre and grotesque convictions with your family, friends, neighbors and co-workers. Sunlight’s the best disinfectant, and nothing helps the progressive cause more than bringing on the right-wing crazy. The extreme right wing’s belligerent hostility toward gays, foreigners, African-Americans, women, poor people, the educated, Hispanics, etc., is rapidly relegating the GOP to a rump party, fit only for hateful medieval illiterates raving incoherently about the liberal John Wilkes Booth.

The only "actual issue" you've managed to raise here is the hopeless extremism of the Teatard base.

April 3, 2012 at 10:09 | Registered CommenterWinston

It's unfortunate that Winston refuses to acknowledge his party's long and disgusting history of racism. In true liberal fashion, he seems to think that he makes an eloquent point in calling conservatives exactly what is liberal's historic legacy.

And, he cruelly likes to mock and demean those with Down's Syndrome for good measure.

April 3, 2012 at 11:02 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

Oh, right, Grayrider—wouldn’t that be the consummate buffoon who refuses to discuss why he’s one of the vanishingly few people of color who embrace the modern Republican Party? You know, the Party that successfully courted the segregationists? Forgive me if I treat racial pronouncements from Grayrider with all the seriousness of a whoopee cushion.

Really, people—what a pathetic Klown Kar of Fail. All I’m trying to do here is ascertain whether Redbeard’s a dangerous zealot or just a loud, half-witted crank. If he doesn't take his own words (the President is a dangerous traitor) seriously, why should anyone else?

April 3, 2012 at 12:12 | Registered CommenterWinston

Actually, as an independent conservative, I don't embrace the modern Republican Party, but have disdain for the disingenuous Democrat Party. Particularly, those in it's ranks that refuse to own up to the fact it's the founding party of the KKK and fought the Civil Rights movement tooth and nail. I lived through that.

Do a little history checking and open your partisan racist mind.

April 3, 2012 at 12:19 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

I'd sooner argue with a whoopee cushion than even bother correcting such an incomplete and grossly dishonest account. Either you—as a person of color yourself, right?—can account for the Democratic Party earning the loyalty of an overwhelming share of African-Americans in some non-racist fashion, or you can't. I’ve asked you to do so over and over, and clearly you can't. Hence, you're a clown and a troll, to be ignored.

April 3, 2012 at 12:49 | Registered CommenterWinston

First, you must admit that Lincoln fought with the Democrats to abolish slavery. Historical fact, correct? Of course members of the Democratic Party formed many terrorist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan to murder and intimidate African Americans voters. The Civil Rights Act of 1871, also known as the Ku Klux Klan Act, was introduced and passed by Republicans to stop the murder of black voters and politicians.

Abolitionist Republican Thaddeus Stevens, fought for the, so called, 40 acres and a mule legislation which was opposed by racist Democrats.

Congressional records show that Democrats were opposed to passing the following laws that were introduced by Republicans to achieve civil rights for blacks and people of color:

Civil Rights Act 1866
Reconstruction Act of 1867
Freedman Bureau Extension Act of 1866
Enforcement Act of 1870
Force Act of 1871
Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
Civil Rights Act of 1875
Civil Rights Act of 1957
Civil Rights Act of 1960
1964 Civil Rights Act
1965 Voting Rights Acts
1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act

Since then, the Democrats have kept people of color enslaved en mass to a failed welfare system that suppresses the personal initiatives of self responsibility. Thankfully, many have seen through this ploy and broken free from it's shackles.

I'll await your typical stream of mindless, hateful name calling, masquerading as an intelligent response.

April 3, 2012 at 13:30 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

Actual voting breakdowns by party of those pieces of legislation are matters of historical fact. Anyone can find them immediately online. They refute your statements. (The breakdowns show a complicated picture in which geographic sectionalism was often as important or more important than party affiliation.)

The parties of the 1960s and 1970s were in transition as the Democratic Party slowly (and not without resistance) embraced black Americans and their aspirations, while Republicans—yes, formerly supporters of equal rights and even civil rights leaders—began to seek electoral advantage through actively courting the votes of bigots and resentful whites. A party that treats people with respect and honors their concerns, wins their loyalty, simple as that. A party intent on making bigots feel safe, welcome and unchallenged, likewise will get what it seeks. Republicans spent the last fifty years stirring up white grievances for electoral gain. They’re welcome to that squalid history; they earned it.

Democrats have kept people of color enslaved en mass to a failed welfare system

is bigoted, insulting drivel. Translated into English, you are claiming that in the silence and anonymity of the voting booth most (nine out of ten) African-Americans are too stupid to know what’s good for them. That argument speaks for itself, doesn’t it?

It takes brass balls for modern vote-suppressing Republicans to claim the legacy of Abraham Lincoln, but they’re nothing if not audacious.

April 3, 2012 at 14:25 | Registered CommenterWinston

Grayrider, isn't it cute of Winston to call you a bigot? I'm sure this sort of despicable behavior gets Winston invited to all sorts of social events.

Winston, I have known Grayrider personally, in the face-to-face sense, for several years now. Not one thing you accuse him of has even a sliver of truth to it. In fact, your repulsive insults to his character are as wrong as wrong can be, both factually and in the way they reflect your twisted psyche. You a mentally deranged braying jackass who owes Grayrider a number of profuse apologies, not that your fetid soul could ever recognize the fact.

April 3, 2012 at 16:35 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

The dems called them Negro slaves in the 1860's. From the back half of the 20th century on they've been referred to as compliant “house voters" for the dem party.

April 3, 2012 at 16:37 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

That's alright, Red...he sees facts through twisted lenses in an attempt to justify the fact that anyone with whom he disagrees is merely a Down's Syndrome victim, worthy of no respect...only of disposal. Much like his advocacy of infanticide.

April 3, 2012 at 16:41 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

If you know him in the face-to-face sense, do you want to corroborate his claim to be a person of color?

Gray Rider maintains African-Americans are too stupid to vote for Republicans instead of Democrats. That's what

Democrats have kept people of color enslaved en mass to a failed welfare system

means, if it means anything at all. That's a bigoted and insulting generalization based on race, that is, racism. You are what you say and do.

Back to the "actual issue":

Its current President is the greatest internal threat the US has ever faced. That’s what hysterical nuts tell us they believe. But plainly they don’t—otherwise they’d be armed and sprinting across the White House lawn right now. You might say this is something they “believe,” but this “belief” of theirs exists or has meaning only in "an ideologically-driven fantasy world” in which they enjoy daydreaming.

April 3, 2012 at 16:47 | Registered CommenterWinston

Not that I need to really prove much to you, Winston...but this is what I am. Old court records list us as, "Free People of Color."

So, I'll thank you to not assume the plight of peoples in which you have no experience or knowledge. Red merely excepts me as, well...swarthy.

Your hypocrisy and faux elitism apparently knows no bounds.

April 3, 2012 at 16:59 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

When reading Winston posts I'm consistently reminded that I have to understand his arguments in the perspective of a race obsessed liberal. That said, to deny the democrat party for the last 80 years hasn’t promised African-Americans a square deal and partnership to only consistently remind them they're on a lower rung in life (see James Clyburn and dem leadership) is to know African-Americans are still the "House Vote" for white liberal democrats. I guess at least they don’t make them walk around anymore with the white gloves on.

April 3, 2012 at 17:09 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Not one thing you accuse him of has even a sliver of truth to it.

I’m accusing him of historical cherry-picking—choosing some facts and ignoring others. I’m accusing him of making the insulting and bigoted statement

Democrats have kept people of color enslaved en mass to a failed welfare system

The racists’ favorite ploy is to insist on changing the subject, from unacceptable things they say and do, to “you can’t know my heart.” F* your heart. You are how you act. Sure, you can purport to believe the Democratic and Republican Parties have stood still on race for the past fifty years instead of switching places, but just don’t expect to be seen as anything but a rather obvious fool or liar. Likewise, you can maintain black Americans can’t figure out their own interests, but don’t expect that to be seen as anything but a bigoted, insulting racial generalization.

April 3, 2012 at 17:17 | Registered CommenterWinston

Gray Rider maintains African-Americans are too stupid to vote for Republicans instead of Democrats. That's what

On the contrary...politicians and liberals that insist on pouring money and generational assistance into a group of people that THEY deem too ignorant to emerge from, is racism.

You're running from the facts, Winston. Your party, which was once mine...has a sordid and jaded past of oppressing people of color. the Klan is a creation of YOUR was YOUR party and those who consider themselves intellectual, like yourself, that feels it must right a wrong by throwing money at the problem and blaming others in hopes that the public won't discover YOUR hypocrisy. It was and is YOUR party that oppresses minorities with condescending policies.

April 3, 2012 at 17:23 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

to deny the democrat [sic] party for the last 80 years hasn’t promised African-Americans a square deal and partnership to only consistently remind them they're on a lower rung in life

Lord, that’s funny as hell. Tom even forgets the last Democratic nominee for President. Oh, that’s right—the affirmative-action President they all voted for out of white guilt because they forgot to remind them they're on a lower rung of life. It’s staggering how much cognitive dissonance co-exists in a wingnut’s head. Were these people normal, their heads would’ve exploded years ago.

shorter Grayrider: "You're the REAL racists." Yawn.

April 3, 2012 at 17:34 | Registered CommenterWinston

On the contrary...politicians and liberals that insist on pouring money and generational assistance into a group of people that THEY deem too ignorant to emerge from, is racism.

And what are the black Americans in this construct, GR? Bystanders?

April 3, 2012 at 17:57 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

I'm going to make one last try, GR. Do you NOT realize how insulting it is to tell an entire ethnic group that they don't vote the right way because they've been bought off to keep themselves down? Seriously?

April 3, 2012 at 18:01 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

So what you are saying windy, is that the great majority of blacks support obama and the democrat party because they favor abortions, infanticide, welfare for illegals, amnesty for illegals, gay marriage, a 14 trillion dollar debt, alternate energy in the face of high gas prices, appeasement foreign policy and socialism over capitalism. All the blacks I know, including my closest friend, are/vote democrat and say they do not favor any of the policies I just listed.

My friend claims to be an independent but he has almost always voted democrat even though he tells me he sees himself as conservative in most of his beliefs. He voted for obama because :-) whadayouthink. You seem to think that, like you, blacks see all Republicans as racists. Or is there some other reason? Hmmmm, I wonder....

April 3, 2012 at 18:15 | Registered CommenterTijuana

Good luck Winston. If you can ever corner one of 'em and get them to explain why 95% of black people vote for Democrats no matter if it's Gore, Clinton or Obama running, let me know......

Yada yada klan, party of lincoln, blah blah................What about now Grayrider? What about right now?

April 3, 2012 at 18:37 | Registered CommenterChoy Lee Mu

I'm still trying to recover from the notion that John Wilkes Booth was a liberal. You know that Lincoln, he was such a conservative trying to hold onto the mores and folkways of the past.

April 3, 2012 at 19:09 | Registered Commenterkwawk

I'm going to make one last try, GR. Do you NOT realize how insulting it is to tell an entire ethnic group that they don't vote the right way because they've been bought off to keep themselves down? Seriously?

Allow ME one last try. Don't you realize how insulting it is to people of color to insinuate that we can't take the initiative to take responsibility for our own actions, rise above the situation and better ourselves without the coddling of knee jerk liberals trying to soothe their racist consciences by throwing taxpayer money at the problem?

April 3, 2012 at 19:36 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

April 3, 2012 at 19:40 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

"Barack Obama is a “light-skinned” African-American “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.” - Harry Reid 2008

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man." - Joe Biden 2007

"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." - Robert Byrd 1944

"I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities." - Robert Byrd 1946

"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years." Lyndon Johnson

“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”
–Lyndon B. Johnson

"You'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva."
- Fritz Hollings

“I have never seen very many white people who felt they were being imposed upon or being subjected to any second-class citizenship if they were directed to a waiting room or to any other public facility to wait or to eat with other white people. Only the Negroes, of all the races which are in this land, publicly proclaim they are being mistreated, imposed upon, and declared second-class citizens because they must go to public facilities with members of their own race.”
–Sen. Richard B. Russell Jr. (D-GA)

“These laws [segregation] are still constitutional and I promise you that until they are removed from the ordinance books of Birmingham and the statute books of Alabama, they will be enforced in Birmingham to the utmost of my ability and by all lawful means.” — Democrat Bull Connor (1957

“I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a nigger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America.” Harry Truman (1911)

“There’s some people who’ve gone over the state and said, ‘Well, George Wallace has talked too strong about segregation.’ Now let me ask you this: how in the name of common sense can you be too strong about it? You’re either for it or you’re against it. There’s not any middle ground as I know of.” — Democratic Alabama Governor George Wallace (1959)

“The decline and fall of the Roman empire came after years of intermarriage with other races. Spain was toppled as a world power as a result of the amalgamation of the races. . . . Certainly history shows that nations composed of a mongrel race lose their strength and become weak, lazy and indifferent.” – Herman E. Talmadge, 1955

"A few years ago, this guy (Obama) would have been getting us coffee..." Bill Clinton 2008

April 3, 2012 at 19:57 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

Got it. You won't answer. You've been cornered. You DO understand there's no way to get this whole ramshackle
the-Democrats-enslave-black-people-through-welfare contraption off the ground without

1. making the black people children or sheep or dumb (highly insulting and bigoted) AND
2. ignoring that the majority of people who benefit from aid programs are white.(in fact, they're mostly children).

Black Americans don't appreciate being viewed as stupid. They're not. They certainly know who's working hard to prevent them from voting.They certainly know which party respects them enough to kick the haters out.

There's no structural reason the GOP couldn't make a real pitch for black and Hispanic votes; I was a bit shocked to learn Eisenhower got FORTY PERCENT of the AA vote. 40%!! That was before the GOP started courting aggrieved white people. The only reason it won't NOW is party leaders years ago consciously chose to never make bigots and racists and xenophobes the least bit uncomfortable, to let the haters know they had a home in the GOP. You pays your money, and you takes your choice. People aren't stupid.

I dunno where you got all your quotes, GR or whether they're all accurate or whether they mean or prove what you think they do. Don't really care. When it comes to race, you are what what you say and do. Democrats (mostly) respect black Americans and treat their concerns as legitimate, and Republicans (generally) do not, and minority voters respond accordingly. It's not complicated. People aren't stupid, and resent being treated as though they are.

April 3, 2012 at 20:10 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

No kwawk & Winston;

The point is Booth was a dem. And history shows (sorry for the facts) dems handle issues they dislike with force. Did I mention John Hinckley?

April 3, 2012 at 20:13 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

"Obama Warns GOP Budget Would Make Weather Prediction Less Accurate"

Republicans want you to die from tornados! Is that racist of me or is it a fact the current white guilt resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is clueless? LOL. Don't worry Obama is safe. Nasty things only happen from the left.

April 3, 2012 at 20:19 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

The point is Booth was a dem

And my point is that being a Dem in 1865 meant something quite different than being a Dem in 2012. Do you and Grayrider really not understand that at some point you need to come up with some evidence for your conclusions that's less than a hundred and forty years old? Or are you just playing dumb? Stop the ridiculous clowning, Tom. John Wilkes Booth was not a liberal. You discredit yourself and make yourself a laughingstock.

April 3, 2012 at 20:33 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

I note that Romney leads Obama by a large margin among married women. Interesting.

April 3, 2012 at 20:34 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

“Democrat Party’s Jewish Outreach Liaison Jokes about “Money Obsessed Jewbags”

I guess it doesn't end with African-Americans.

April 3, 2012 at 20:47 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

I note that Romney leads Obama by a large margin among married women. Interesting.

Huh? All the non-Fox "News" polls say the opposite. In fact, Gallup just came out with a poll that says President Obama leads 2-1 with women 50 and under. Link or it didn't happen.

April 3, 2012 at 20:51 | Registered CommenterChoy Lee Mu

I never realized that there was a government program to help with the advancement of grey people.

I would be curious to find out what the percentage of black people who voted for Republicans was before Nixon '68 and after Nixon '68. Before Southern Strategy and Post Southern Strategy. Before Republicans picked up the mantle of disgruntled racists and ran with it and after. If Republicans have a problem attracting the votes of African American's perhaps they only have themselves to blame? Rand and Ron Paul's belief in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as being unfair and constitutional isn't doing your party any favors.

Perhaps if the Republican Party were to get their finger out of people faces and stop wagging it and listen, they would find a way to appeal to black voters? Perhaps there aren't many black people who find the notion of a strict constructionist view of the constitution in the ways of the founders because the founders considered them to be 3/5ths of a person, and thought it was constitutionally okay to lynch them from trees and sell their children.

The problem you have Grey is while you're busy blaming black people and Democrats for the lack of a Republican black vote, people like Ken Mehlman are apologizing for the racist and cynical campaign strategies which has led the Republican party down this road.

April 3, 2012 at 20:55 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Sorry for the retread of your thoughts Winston, I was writing that last post and got distracted for a little bit before I posted it.

April 3, 2012 at 20:59 | Registered Commenterkwawk

No apology needed, kwAwk. I did love the crack about the Grey people. To your question, I was shocked Ike took FORTY PER CENT of the black vote. I was stunned.

I’m really a bit intrigued with those quotes and what GrayRider apparently thinks they prove. I’ve no idea how accurate they are. But take the ones attributed to LBJ, for instance. As gotcha quotes they certainly seem to reflect some attitudes we’d regard today as disgraceful. Yet we know that as President, Johnson used every trick and wile in his very considerable quiver of legislative arm-twisting tactics to pass the greatest achievements of civil rights legislation since the Civil War or since. He did so knowing (and saying explicitly at the time), that he’d inflicted a decades-long wound on the Democratic Party in the South in doing so. So what’s your point, GR? That LBJ was “a racist” in private? Just saying that shows the shallowness and poverty of a certain kind of thinking about race, of presuming that people can’t change, that it’s a simple black-and-white, sorry, up-or-down distinction between the racists and non-racists. Fact is, people are complicated and people change. Fact is, times change. Fact is, bad people sometimes do good things and vice versa. Robert Byrd said horrible things. And yet he changed. Truman is quoted saying disgusting things, yet he desegregated the Army. How can we explain these mysteries? We don’t have to: these are humans. They contain multitudes
The Biden or the Clinton quotes, what are you even getting at? Are their sentiments untrue, just clumsy, or insensitive? So what? Having GR parade these quotations as though they mean something important feels childish and superficial. I'm really curious what he thinks they establish.

April 3, 2012 at 21:09 | Registered CommenterWinston

Well, Winston, once again, you've diverted from the subject. The quotes are both historic and current as are the facts. I'm not the subject, and I absolutely addressed your diversion...yet ignored.

Facts are troublesome things. If they fail to line up with your beliefs, then you must insult, divert and redirect. Old fashioned really... and tiresome.

I find your assertions to be insulting and would address them quite differently if made face to face. You have a pipe dream, not based in reality. Yet I too shared a similar distorted vision, so many years ago...until faced with facts which could not be ignored.

Ideology is a wonderful thing, until it's proved faulty. Then one is faced with altering one's opinion, or cling to the rotting remnants of failed thinking until there's nothing more to hang on to.

April 3, 2012 at 21:10 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

Ha ha ha. I followed up on Tom's "Jewbag" story (you really should learn how to link Tom, to save me some time!) It was funny.
Young DC staffer makes ass of self on Facebook. Film at 11.

April 3, 2012 at 21:18 | Registered CommenterWinston

How did I “divert from the subject”? You are plainly not going to answer my question. You won’t acknowledge your Democrats-enslave-black-people-through-welfare notion is profoundly insulting and offensive, and, well, that’s pretty much that.

Facts are indeed troublesome things and the fact is, black people feel quite unwelcome in the Republic Party. They have ever since the late Sixties when the GOP changed direction and decided it could win some elections courting the white haters. That’ll likely continue for the foreseeable future. It has nothing to do with Democrats hypnotizing them or exercising mass mind control over them. It’s simpler than that: people don’t go where they’re not wanted.

What do you think it “proves” about LBJ if he made some crude remarks about black people? Would that erase or cancel out his struggling to pass the 1964 Civil Rights Act? Or just make the picture more complicated? You seem to think the meaning of these quotes is self-evident. I don’t find them so, not by a long shot. You also plainly believe what it meant to be a Democrat or Republican a hundred and forty years ago is not affected at all by the events of the last half-century, a notion I find ridiculous and bizarre.

I find your assertions to be insulting and would address them quite differently if made face to face.

Awwww. I find your depiction of black Americans as sheep or children who can’t possibly know what’s good for them, offensive and insulting. We’re even.

April 3, 2012 at 21:47 | Registered CommenterWinston

That's simply ridiculous. Your debating skills rely heavily on the absurd and misdirection. Fact is, I provided current and historical facts and directly addressed your assertions.

As a real life person of ethnicity, I'll be the one that calls racism on a blatant white elitist like yourself, proclaiming to know what's best for what you obviously believe are people of lessor intelligence, unable to fend for ourselves.

You sir, are the worst kind of bigot! One that doesn't realize that he is one.

April 3, 2012 at 22:00 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

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