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Right to Work Passes in Michigan

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I think the anger is coming from the bill itself but also the sketchy way the Republicans used parlimentary tricks during the lame duck session to pass the bill when it couldn't pass in a legitimate way. So, even if the governor signs it, the bill will be in court long before it has a chance to do any real damage. And the governor looks like a total douche because only a few weeks ago during the recent election campaign did he promise he'd never sign a right to screw the worker bill in the first place.

December 11, 2012 at 13:09 | Registered CommenterChoy Lee Mu

This must be stopped! We can't allow workers to have the freedom of joining or not joining a union, as they see fit! We must continue to force them to join unions and pay dues, whether they want to do so or not. It's for their own good. Freedom is over-rated. Gubmint and gubmint rules are the solution, you know.

December 11, 2012 at 13:36 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

If "Right to Work" is a good thing, why do workers make less, are more likely to be killed or injured and fewer of them are covered by insurance compared to workers in "non-Right to work" states?

December 11, 2012 at 14:16 | Registered CommenterChoy Lee Mu

"We must continue to force them to join unions and pay dues"

No one's forced to join a union or pay dues so this bill doesnt free anyone of any such obligation. It just lets people get free rides to enjoy contracts negotiated for them on the backs of people who did.

December 11, 2012 at 14:18 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

Union supporters tear down large tent, with people inside the tent, then punch Steven Crowder in the face numerous times.

Report with video here at Hot Gas.

Crowder has his own video which will be released later this afternoon. Hopefully the many videos will show the police upon whom they should focus their attention.

Some reports on twitter that tent was cut up with knives.

December 11, 2012 at 14:40 | Registered CommenterDuff, man

Basically, the scoreboard reads: Freedom and individuality = 1, collectivism and the hive mentality = 0.

Duff, I'm sure those good natured fellows were just innocently letting of some steam. And Crowder no doubt hit several of their fists with his face, making him the aggressor.

December 11, 2012 at 15:21 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

That's a huge number of very angry people. Republicans are the enemies of normal people, certainly the enemies of anyone middle class or trying to get there. If you declare all-out class war, don't be surprised when people move to defend themselves.

December 11, 2012 at 15:22 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

I see the union thugs were out in force today in Lansing, MI. So far the libs on this site can't bring themselves to condemn the assaults and destruction of property; not surprising. This is the party that craps down their legs for weeks over comments like "binders full of women" but has no problem with union thugs brandishing knives and assaulting people. As for choice; women have the 'choice' over their pregnancy. Gays have the 'choice' to whether to marry. But the 'choice' on whether to bend to compulsory union participation; no way. As for who started it, Gov. Snyder and MI business leaders asked the unions to not submit petitions for Amendment 2 which would effectively make unions the law of the land. They did, it went to vote and they got their ass kicked 58%-42%. So as libs rant on about "elections having consequences" too bad union bitches, your screwed now. On the up side, BLS stats show Right-To-Work states have higher wages than Union states. So the legislature just voted Michigan workers a pay raise

December 11, 2012 at 15:26 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Oh, so now the unions attacking reporters... is being "defensive", not aggressive?

December 11, 2012 at 15:29 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

http://youtu.be/u_F3oev06i0

Here you go libs; the party of peace. I'm sure your so proud. I'll say one thing, I would have loved to have that fat Union fuck get in my face.

December 11, 2012 at 16:02 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Yeah TM, what would you do if that fat Union fuck got in your face? Confuse him with an endless stream of false information?

I guessing that this will pretty much assure that Democrats take over the state government in the next election cycle.

December 11, 2012 at 16:47 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Sorry kwawk; that big tub of shit with his union buddies behind scares no one. Btw, still no comment from the left on this site about the repulsive behavior of the union thugs. As for "next election cycle," see Wisconsin.

December 11, 2012 at 17:04 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Everybody's a tough guy when it's 15,000 vs 1...
Let's see how tough he is when the tables are turned.

See if they can take what they dish out.

December 11, 2012 at 17:09 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

winnie...

If you declare all-out class war, don't be surprised when people move to defend themselves.

My point exactly, genius.

kwack...

Yeah TM, what would you do if that fat Union fuck got in your face?

Hey dude...I'm in the 312. Why don't you gather up a few Chicago teamsters and come on over to Humboldt Park and I personally will be more than happy to show you what I'd do.

Or am I just a little too close to home for you???

I guessing that this will pretty much assure that Democrats take over the state government in the next election cycle.

Yeah, about that...

I seem to recall a shitty diaper full of Wisconsin libs who stroked themselves to sleep over THAT particular fantasy after Walker shoved his will up their collective sphincters.

December 11, 2012 at 18:00 | Registered CommenterMy Sharia Moor

MSN/MSNBC is claiming the tent collapsed due to pushing and shoving by both parties. What a crock of shit. Too bad for the MSM there are videos all over the net showing that the MSM are liars. I especially like the video where Crowder is getting his ass beat and a union thug off camera yells "he's coming back with a gun to kill all you mother fu*kers."

December 11, 2012 at 18:16 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Since the Civility Police seem to be conveniently off-duty today,, does that mean the gloves are off for conservatives as well, or is this the usual "libs only" kinda deal?

"Right-to-work is contentious legislation that stirs up the passions of people on all sides of the issue. While we are committed to working against these measures with every legal means available, Rep. Doug Geiss (Taylor) and the entire Democratic caucus stands against the use of violence and do not condone its use.

Right. The "new tone" is apparently a euphemism for "shut up, and MOVE ON. Guess it's the usual "libs only" affair.

And by "contentious legiislation that stirs up the passions of people on all sides of the aisle," Michigan democrat party members mean, IOKIADDI.

:Let it burn.

December 11, 2012 at 18:18 | Registered CommenterMy Sharia Moor

I seem to recall a shitty diaper full of Wisconsin libs who stroked themselves to sleep over THAT particular fantasy after Walker shoved his will up their collective sphincters.

Is it not comical to see them relive those same Wisconsin fantasies now with Michigan and the so-called dire re-election hopes of Gov Snyder? They seriously think he's screwed. "We are the 17%!!"

December 11, 2012 at 18:59 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

North Korea is warned by Obama to not launch their long range missile, they give Obama the FU finger and launch. Obama finally gets around to backing a faction of the Syrian rebels and on the same day these rebels pledge their allegiance to Al Qaeda. One might rightfully ask how clueless, incompetent, weak, ignorant and arrogant can this administration get before not four dead in Benghazi is the issue but four thousand or forty thousand Americans are dead? I’m 100% convinced the Obama State Department has no clue what's going on. When the average Wal-Mart shopper knows on 9/12 that the Benghazi murders were based on a terrorist attack and the WH is still spinning the video lie for another two weeks, all Americans should have known the idiot that resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue needed to be gone. But 50.6% low-information high free government benefit consumers in November said yes to Barry; so here we are.

December 12, 2012 at 06:40 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

President Pissy Pants just had to insert himself into this state issue, making snarky remarks to gin up his union thug base. He's no doubt pouting this morning, wondering why his own stunning magnificence didn't kill the bill.

December 12, 2012 at 06:42 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

From IowaHawk-CLASSIC!!

“I’ve now become oddly accustomed to fat violent paramilitary thugs attempting to take state capitols by force.”

December 12, 2012 at 08:41 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

BLS stats show Right-To-Work states have higher wages than Union states.

Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. BLS stats show the opposite. Page 13.

December 12, 2012 at 09:14 | Registered CommenterWinston

BLS stats show Right-To-Work states have higher wages than Union states.

Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. BLS stats show the opposite.
Page 13.

December 12, 2012 at 09:18 | Registered CommenterWinston


Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. BLS stats show the opposite.

Yeah? Well, I guess it must really suck that it's now the law, huh?

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

Wanna know the difference between a union thug and a gangbanger?

The gangbanger doesn't talk tall, impotent shit before working up the sand to stomp your ass like a narc at a biker rally. He just does it.

Cowardly shitstains.

December 12, 2012 at 09:18 | Registered CommenterMy Sharia Moor

When factoring in the cost of living (you know, real world stuff), right to work state wages will buy more goods and services than wages in closed shop states.

Oh, and the unemployment rate in closed shop states is considerably higher than in right to work states.

December 12, 2012 at 09:21 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

No one's forced to join a union or pay dues

This is utter BS. Working in MO, I've had to pay union dues to CWA even though I wasn't a member of the union.

December 12, 2012 at 09:25 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

Bullshit. Federal Beck rights prohibit forcing people to pay union dues. Non-members may, however, be asssessed a comparable fee for representing them in contract negotiations. Otherwise you'd be enjoyting a free ride on the backs of your union brothers and sisters.

December 12, 2012 at 09:31 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

Back in the Dark Ages of the 1960s, I worked in a "modified shop" company, meaning I didn't have to join the union, but the union would still extract their graft funds from each of my paychecks. It was the union equivalent of, "You got a nice store here. Shame if anything was to happen to it. We can protect you, for a fee."

Btw, this was the same union of colossal geniuses which went out on a nine week strike to get a 20 cent per hour raise, when the company had already offered 10 cents plus increased insurance benefits. The lying union fat cats claimed victory, and their blind and stupid followers cheered, unable to do the simple math.

December 12, 2012 at 09:33 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Sorry DA, wrong, wrong,wrong.

http://ohio.mediatrackers.org/2012/12/05/compared-to-ohio-wage-trends-favor-workplace-freedom-states/

December 12, 2012 at 09:45 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

It's my understanding those union thugs who attacked Crowder have been identified. They even got the Obama sympathizer who yelled "I'm coming back with a gun and kill all you mother fu**ers."

Classy. Makes me want to be an American car from these drunk, stoned union thugs.

December 12, 2012 at 09:54 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Bullshit. Federal Beck rights prohibit forcing people to pay union dues. Non-members may, however, be asssessed a comparable fee for representing them in contract negotiations. Otherwise you'd be enjoyting a free ride on the backs of your union brothers and sisters.

Those fascist pricks didn't negotiate my contract on that job.

December 12, 2012 at 10:00 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

"Too bad for the MSM there are videos all over the net showing that the MSM are liars."

Apparently videos are not sufficient evidence of anything in the world of the clueless TM.

Union workers at a Michigan Chrysler plant who were caught on camera drinking and smoking pot on their break and were subsequently fired, were reinstated when the union cried foul and the arbiter in the case found there wasn't sufficient evidence to warrant their firing.

Reported by Bill O'Reilly's legal team last night.

I thought liberals were all for "THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE." I'm confused,,, again.

December 12, 2012 at 10:03 | Registered CommenterTijuana

My employees have free choice. They are employed "at will" and can choose to work, quit, negotiate for a raise, go on strike, whatever they want to do. And I can hire, direct, reward, and discharge anyone, at any time, without having to get approval from some panel of government or union knuckleheads.

Too much freedom there to suit the average leftist.

December 12, 2012 at 10:19 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

"There will be blood," State Representative Douglas Geiss threatened from the floor of the Michigan House of Representatives today as the body debated legislation that would make Michigan the nation's 24th right to work state."

The civil, tolerant discourse the left is so fond of. Not a peep from the precedent when it comes from his party. Don't cha think it is high time we "target" these people and start "shooting" this rhetoric down.

December 12, 2012 at 10:21 | Registered CommenterTijuana

Sorry DA, wrong, wrong,wrong.

Tom, check your link again and read it carefully. It doesn’t say what you seem to think it does.

Look, I’m genuinely sorry you’re such a consistent colossal dumbass. But that’s your choice. You’d be better off avoiding those wingnut welfare think tank sources altogether anyway. They’re only in the propaganda business, you know, and they wind up making you look stupid. Yet again.

December 12, 2012 at 10:22 | Registered CommenterWinston

Bill O'Reilly's legal team

Too funny.

December 12, 2012 at 10:29 | Registered CommenterWinston

As a non-union worker, the only time I ever benefited from union negotiating was on government contracts where I was paid prevailing wage, and it was an absolute ripoff of MO taxpayers.

December 12, 2012 at 10:33 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

Well DA; since reading comprehension isn't your thing the study clearly shows using BLS stats that the state of Ohio (heavily unionized) vs. Right-To-Work states that on average 8 out of 10 RTW states have higher wages than Ohio.

You are the Fredo Corleone of libs. "I'm smaaat Michael, I am."

December 12, 2012 at 10:51 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Well DA...

What's "DA" stand for?

Just wondering...

December 12, 2012 at 11:02 | Registered CommenterMy Sharia Moor

Tom, I can teach you how to start reading critically if you like. How can you tell it’s propaganda? (A), Wingnut dollars fund it. (B), It’s peppered all the way through with annoying propagandistic terms like “workplace freedom states” and “forced unionism states.” (C), It takes six states of the industrial Midwest, points out three of them had very low wage growth over the past decade (yeah, no shit, and BTW, thanks, Catastrophe on Two Legs!) and actually implies one of the comparison 22 “workplace freedom states” enjoyed a better wage growth record over that decade because of a policy it enacted . . . wait for it people . . . eleven months ago. The whole thing’s a pretty ridiculous piece of clever if somewhat obvious sophistry.

Bottom line, the crap you posted attempts to bait-n-switch wage growth trends for wages; growth trends may be something worth comparing, but they're not the same as absolute wages. BLS statistics still show wages and benefits are higher in non-“right-to-work” states (which your crap site does grudgingly acknowledge in the ninth paragraph). And you’re still a colossal gullible dumbass, intentionally so apparently.

December 12, 2012 at 11:23 | Registered CommenterWinston

As always. Tom's wrongness is only exceeded by his certainty and his abusiveness. What a comical jackass.

December 12, 2012 at 11:32 | Registered CommenterWinston

Check out thestats in the info. box on the left of the link. At the bottom of the box it has that frustrating U.S Commerce Department and U.S. Labor Department on it. Fredo Winston is taking this one hard.

Sharia, Winston earned the acronym of DA or Dumb Ass based on the tantrums, rude behavior and arrogance. Every post of gets a well-deserved DA.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/121112-636665-right-to-work-means-better-wages.htm

December 12, 2012 at 11:39 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

As always. Tom's wrongness is only exceeded by his certainty and his abusiveness

Oh. My. Lord.

Do winnie's nurses know the inmates are running loose on the internet???

I had a girlfriend like him once. Her lawyer got her off in light of her schizophrenia.

Unfortunately, her other personality wasn't pleased, and the psychotic bitch killed him.

December 12, 2012 at 11:49 | Registered CommenterMy Sharia Moor

Let's be honest with ourselves... the ONLY reason Democrats are fighting for Unions is because more than 93% of union dues have been donated to the Democrats in the past. They're not worried about "workers' rights"... if they were they'd be on the other side of the argument fighting the union establishment that limit their members' choices and trample the rights of non-Union workers. They claim to help the little guy get their "fair share" but hold an elitist attitude when it comes to Unions. If the favorability towards unions didn't benefit them (one would hope) they'd be on the other side with Republicans.

Their idea of "workers rights" is so ass-backwards. It'd be like calling me pro-choice, provided the only choices they have are between adoption or birthing and raising the child yourself. It's a phony talking point. Unions stood for something decades ago but those fights have been waged and won. Now it's nothing more than greed and entitlements.

December 12, 2012 at 13:26 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Skinny, respect to you, but I believe you meant to say 93% of unions' political donations go to the Demwit party.

I have read that the largest category that union dues go towards is union salaries and overhead, but it isn't easy to research overall union expenditure averages. Many of the union expense breakdowns I have seen lump who-knows-exactly-what expense together in a "representing members" category. Example here.
In the example overhead, administration, and benefits total around 40% of the total expenditures.

I expected to see separate expense accounts for purchasing Senators, for purchasing Representatives, for Kickbacks and for Payments to Knee-cap breakers. I guess they don't break down their expense categories into that much detail.

I do wonder if maybe there might be some reason why it is difficult to research what unions spend their money on.

December 12, 2012 at 15:16 | Unregistered CommenterDuff, man

Hot dog cart man has his property destroyed by union thugs because he dared to do catering for the "wrong" people.

Is there any bottom to the leftist swamp? Is there any depth to which they will not sink?

December 12, 2012 at 15:20 | Registered CommenterRedBeard

I guess they don't break down their expense categories into that much detail.

I do wonder if maybe there might be some reason why it is difficult to research what unions spend their money on.

Just call President Transparency. He'll fix this.

Oh, wait... he already did, by covering the union transparency laws with a thick layer of mud.

December 12, 2012 at 15:36 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

"Bill O'Reilly's legal team

Too funny."

You brought the O'Reilly thing up about three years ago windy. Even at my age I can remember that far back. Just so you know, I've got it. You don't have to bring it up again.

So what do you think about workers keeping their jobs after a company that no longer wants them there - because drinking and drugging on break is considered unacceptable behavior to them - is forced to re-instate them. Is it any wonder that people like me despise unions?

You see, we all understand that the basic premise behind what unions are supposed to be about is a good thing. We've all seen those old movies about the coal miners debased living and working conditions. Then along come the limp wristed union guy to battle those mean ol white managers and owners. How dare they? :-)

But like most collective entities (i.e. communism) when somebody takes charge -as someone always does - things go to shit pretty quickly. Ya ever heard the old adage "the fix is often worse than the problem." I believe that has been true of most unions since there onset.

Power and Money and screw anyone who doesn't play ball with us. Hmmm, sounds just like some mean ol white manager/owner.

December 12, 2012 at 16:49 | Registered CommenterTijuana

I was just thinking (oh no) if we had more BLACK managers/owners maybe we could all put down the fists and start getting along. You know, allowing more latitude for the black folk and all like that. I mean. bout time they got back dontchthink?

Latitude, latitude latitude. We got us some latitudinous goin on up in heeuh! It's all good bro, we got us some latitude and some attitude and isabout time. Don'tchathink?

OOooooh sheeeeyut. I gotta stop laughin up in heeuh....

December 12, 2012 at 17:00 | Registered CommenterTijuana

"Last night, all the major television networks chose not to show footage of violent union members in Michigan tearing down a tent owned by Americans for Prosperity, or footage of a union member punching Fox News contributor Steven Crowder in the face repeatedly."

I reckon they aren't limp wristed anymore. Eh.. Tables do turn don't they. Y'all feelin goood bout gettin back bout nigh huh.

Maybe we need us some new movies up in heeuh. Yareckon.

December 12, 2012 at 17:49 | Registered CommenterTijuana

"Sen. Menendez employed intern who was illegal immigrant, sex offender, AP reports"

Per NBC (shockingly) Homeland Security delayed his arrest until after the election. What's a few little boys or girls possibly being raped when an election is on the line! The mafia has better morals than the demwits and their union thug followers.

December 12, 2012 at 18:40 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

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