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Oct032012

LET'S GET READY TO RRRUMMMBLE!!

LIVE (9PM ET):  First Presidential Debate of 2012        (skip to most recent comments)

Thread is open so have at it.   No biting, scratching, eye gouges or kicks to the groin.

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Can we sling folding chairs?

October 3, 2012 at 18:59 | Registered CommenterRedBeard

That's a bad idea, RedBeard!

October 3, 2012 at 19:52 | Unregistered CommenterGeraldo

What I can never seem to understand is why Obama, or someone like him doesn't respond to the tax cuts argument by saying that businesses don't hire people because they have extra money lying around.

They hire people to meet new demand.

October 3, 2012 at 21:33 | Registered Commenterkwawk

They hire people to meet new demand.

Kwawk, what is this "demand" thing? I thought businesses exist to provide people with jobs. Isn't that was why society tolerates them?

October 3, 2012 at 22:11 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

Romney murdered

October 3, 2012 at 22:48 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

What a sweet ass kicking that was. Oooowah!

What I hoped for and couldn't have asked for anything more.

Uh skwawk, I guess in liberal think when businesses have more money they spend it on themselves and their family not invest it in and grow the business and therefore need to hire more people. So it would be hard for you to understand. "More money lying around??" What a hoot! :-)

October 3, 2012 at 23:55 | Registered CommenterTijuana

Obama cracks me the fuck up.

TJ - Yeah, if owners of companies don't see the demand to support expanding their business, they will indeed pocket their money or stick it in the bank and hold on to it. If you have two factories making widgets and running at 85% capacity and they're both making money, you're not going to hire more people if you don't have the demand for that 15% per factory and you're certainly not going to build a third factory so that you have three operating at 58% capacity.

October 4, 2012 at 00:08 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Geraldo, I resisted the temptation, and left the folding chairs in the corner. ;-) Besides, any debate outcome that depresses Chrissy Matthews has to be a good outcome, without the need for any extra theatrics. Poor Chrissy. Today will not be fun for him, as he is forced to address his Dear Leader's failure last night.

Now excuse me while I go count all that money I have lying around. I keep it in a huge vault, sorta like the one that Uncle Scrooge McDuck had. I love diving into the cash and swimming in it.

October 4, 2012 at 04:34 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Wow, when even HuffPo says Obama got his ass kicked how bad was it? I've taped it due to capitalistic requirements last night so I will watch it but damm, I'm reading quotes that Obama was "nervous", "petulant", "lost" and that was some of the better comments.

October 4, 2012 at 06:51 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Capitalistic, huh Tom? Well, break out some of that cash you have lying around. Let's party. :-)

October 4, 2012 at 07:08 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

I've said it since the third debate with McCain, this guy does not like being challenged in a serious way. McCain did it to him several times in the third debate and had him bumbling around. But nobody seemed to notice (then) because after all they were all caught up in the aura of the "the one" being born. If he tries to fight back in the next debate I'm betting he will show his anger (his jaw stayed tight as a drum all of last night) and expose himself even further. Hey, when you have an albatross hanging around your neck on national television there is no place to hide.

Not only is obama being exposed, but the national media is being exposed, big time. People have got to be asking themselves where has this president been hiding for the last 4 yrs. Golf anyone.

I'd say at this point, Romney is just waiting for and relishing the idea of "the one" bringing up "the 47%."

Considering the ass kicking he gave obama last night, I guess that makes Romney America's number one RACIST.

chris mathews will not be showing up for work today. He's got a sharp pain running up his leg and can't get out of bed. :-)

Can you imagine how good it's gonna be with foreign policy being next up. Dayum!

BTW skwawk, did you notice that "the one" never denied that he is robbing medicare to pay for obamacare. Not even once did he attempt to deny it. Why is that? Hmmmmmm?

What was that thing obama said about "that's just arithmetic?" Duh, well yeah.....

October 4, 2012 at 07:39 | Registered CommenterTijuana

Again; I haven't seen the debate yet but from what I'm reading I thought this was a brilliant critique; think of the Mob as the MSM-

"Mitt did was to expose the president as the Primo Carnera of his day, the mob-owned heavyweight champ who won a series of fixed fights — until he finally found himself in the ring against an opponent who didn’t fear him, and who was more than happy to whale on him, especially once Romney figured out that Obama couldn’t hurt him."

October 4, 2012 at 07:49 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Drudge is having a field day with the debate headlines. Just too good.

October 4, 2012 at 08:05 | Registered CommenterTijuana

1). David Burge‏@iowahawkblog

"Phone ringing off the hook at the WH from Hawaiian interior decorators."


2). David Burge‏@iowahawkblog
" Eastwood always wins. <squint> "

LOL.

October 4, 2012 at 08:12 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

I have to give the President credit.....................


for not scratching his face with his middle finger.

Like he did to Hillary.

October 4, 2012 at 09:29 | Registered CommenterDuff, man

One of the best comments I saw last night, and I can't remember where i saw it, was that Chris Matthews' leg tingle just moved into his left arm.

From Real Clear Politics. Enjoy.

October 4, 2012 at 09:48 | Registered CommenterDuff, man

Debates are dumb. Duels are where its at.

October 4, 2012 at 11:02 | Registered CommenterChoy Lee Mu

Obama got pummelled... gloves off and Mitt went straight for the knockout and just kept pounding. Obama was stunned pretty much the entire time and kept defaulting to the same tired talking points he's been spouting the last few months on the campaign trail (minus the killing of Osama Bin Laden and the success of GM). I couldn't tell if he just couldn't look Romney in the eyes or if he was looking down hoping to catch a glimpse of the teleprompter behind him out of the corner of his eye.

He clearly looked out of his element... and this was supposedly the best orator the Democrats had ever seen in decades. He proved himself to be the political amateur we "Wingnutz" claimed he was for years. Made me think of how much better off we'd be had we not run with McCain in 08. Last night Romney went after him, and we haven't even gotten into foreign policy yet. Even though he got a couple shots on him over Solyndra and the other alt energy nightmares, he didn't mention the Keystone pipeline and didn't hammer him nearly enough on GM. He definitely should have jumped all over him when Obama was actually stupid enough to mention money and gas pumps in the same sentence. A couple missed opportunities by Romney, but all-in-all a very popcorn-friendly evening.

Speaking of good t.v.... MSNBC's reaction was fucking priceless. Before I even knew it the time was 1:30 am and I was still having a blast talking to Obamabots on an MSNBC live stream trying to spin last night's debate into a "win" for Obama. Apparently they listened to Chris Hayes (or was it Rachel Maddow? I get those two confused all the time...) who actually put forth such an absurd notion on MSNBC last night with hyperbole mixed with delusional fantasy... until Ed Schultz jumped his ass and told him how foolish that sounded.

When Ed Schultz sounds like the only rational person on an MSNBC panel, you know it's a wild time.

I was just hoping the entire time that MSNBC was on a 10 second delay... just in case Chris Matthews tried to hang himself with his belt. Hearing him call the president "unarmed" was hilarious... it sounded like he wanted to call the president stupid but couldn't bring himself to do it. The best part however was hearing Tearful Tingles give Obama advice... and that advice was watch more MSNBC Mr President so you'll be better prepared for the next debate. LOL

HOWEVER NONE OF THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO BEING AS UTTERLY HILARIOUS AS THIS "CONTROVERSIAL" STATEMENT THAT MADE ME LAUGH SO HARD I COUGHED DISCOLORED MUCUS OUT OF MY LUNGS... OMFG... ROFLMAO!!!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:: has to sit down from laughing so hard ::

(and to think... he came less than 600 votes away from being our 43rd President)

October 4, 2012 at 11:09 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Go look at this YouTube video of debate excerpts. It is a complilation of some of the President's facial expressions.

But what is interesting is that at the time I am posting this, You Tube's stats list 304 views, but 683 "likes" and 49 "dislikes".

Math is hard, I guess.

October 4, 2012 at 11:13 | Registered CommenterDuff, man

Don't miss skinny's last link in the 11:09 comment.

The "TV personality" seems to be arguing that the President may not have been getting enough oxygen to his brain.

October 4, 2012 at 11:17 | Registered CommenterDuff, man

The AARP, which put itself in the middle of the health care debate by endorsing ObamaCare, now is telling President Obama to keep the group out of his political talking points

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/04/aarp-objects-to-obama-invoking-group-support-during-debate/#ixzz28LQc3Mg4

The rats are abandoning the ship.

October 4, 2012 at 11:34 | Registered CommenterTijuana

Albert Gore, Idiot.

What a great thing to have on a business card.

October 4, 2012 at 11:57 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

You know what, you guys are right. I give up. I finally realize that austerity, tax cuts for the rich and a beligerent foriegn policy will make America great again. And safer too.

Fuck the 47% of government moochers! Go Romney.

October 4, 2012 at 12:32 | Registered CommenterChoy Lee Mu

Not a good night for the President, who looked disengaged, preoccupied, far too cerebral, at times halting and seemingly unable to make his arguments concisely and vividly. We’ve all seen him do far better. I have to think it must be tough shoehorning debate prep into a full day of Presidentin’ at a time when there’s a lot poppin’. He certainly needs to do far better in the next two if there are still any votes to be gotten (a big if) from still-undecided low-info voters.

But on the other hand it’s very difficult to know how to respond to a performance like Clueless Plutocrat’s. It’s the Blizzard of Lies problem. It’s pretty easy to appear animated, aggressive and confident when you’re just happily lying, lying, lying, and occasionally taking a break from lying to make some outrageous shit up, or pull some shit out of your ass. It was one of the most—no, it was, hands-down, THE most shamelessly dishonest presentation I have ever seen a modern-day politician give in a public setting. CP lied about everything. He lied about people with pre-existing conditions being able to get insurance after repealing ACA, he lied about his five-trillion-dollar tax cut, he continued his lies about the $716 billion Medicare savings, he lied about the deficit, and got more comfortable the more lies he told, he lied and and lied and lied so constantly that whenever his mouth was open—which was way too often, given Lehrer’s disgraceful failure to even TRY to exercise any control over the format—whenever his mouth was open, a torrent of bullshit was emerging.

It was a wilding of lying. In retrospect, candidate CP telegraphed his whole strategy a couple weeks ago, saying the President was going to be dishonest in the debate and he, Plutocrat, was just going to have to cope. As we all know, it’s the classic Rove feint: accuse your opponent of doing exactly what you’re planning on doing. This man may be the most extraordinarily brazen lying sack of shit the political stage has ever known.

October 4, 2012 at 12:44 | Registered CommenterWinston

It’s also important to note the one (and only thing) Romney did last night besides lie (well, and interrupt): in a number of ways, he threw the conservative movement under the bus and tried to change his spots. He shifted to the left so he could plausibly campaign as the moderate governor of a liberal Northeastern state. Now, the Wingnutz™ don’t care—they’d cheer him on eating kittens on live TV so long as he crushes the President—but this is significant. It’s an implicit acknowledgement that the Right’s extremism at this point is electoral poison, and the CP who bought the GOP nomination is forced to shape-shift yet again.

Romney had a good night, even if he had it by acting like a condescending lying bully and jerk. He appeared to be in control and driving the conversation. At times he resembled a hyperactive child, and that phony corporate smirk just begged for a smacking—that puts some people off, y’know, especially women—but overall he had a very good evening, especially if you turned off the sound. The President at times sounded disorganized and tired—it wasn’t the brilliant, effective presentation Big Dog gives us. Obama’s capable of being that effective but he sure didn’t bring his best game last night.

We won’t know for a few days whether this changes the race. My guess is, it won’t. And that’s more than just a hope. Hardly anyone’s undecided at this point. As kwAwk often points out, this election’s basic dynamic hasn’t changed for a very long time.

October 4, 2012 at 12:45 | Registered CommenterWinston

Amen chewy, glad to see you are finally on board. I hope you will receive this welcoming in the spirit that it is intended. ;-) Scheisskopf

I apologize. I didn't mean that but my back/delete is suddenly not working.

October 4, 2012 at 12:48 | Registered CommenterTijuana

What, T? No parades today? ;-)

October 4, 2012 at 13:23 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

We won’t know for a few days whether this changes the race. My guess is, it won’t. And that’s more than just a hope. Hardly anyone’s undecided at this point. As kwAwk often points out, this election’s basic dynamic hasn’t changed for a very long time.

How many elections now have the Democrats had leads going in and walked out with their tails between their legs? I think hope is all you have left... that's what makes Hope and Change 2012 such a perfect slogan this year.

It's Romney's fault... it's Lehrer's fault... it's John Kerry's fault... it's everybody's fault but Obama. He's far too "preoccupied" to do well, lol. Give me a break. Preoccupied with what? He's ignored his duties as president to be the Campaigner in Chief. Last night was the Super Bowl of the campaign. You would think that debate was ALL he had on his mind. If last night's debate didn't have his undue attention.... what in the world does? Fast and Furious? Benghazi? Does anything trump campaign season for Obama?

Romney didn't just have a good night... Obama had an awful night as well, compounding the problems for liberals. Romney only looked like a bully because Obama looked WEAK! He looked like he'd prepared for a leisurely stroll down Sesame Street when the Romney Express blew right through him. They hardly noticed he was there after hitting the windshield wipers a couple times.

Today Obama is out there saying all the things he wished he thought of last night, however teleprompter wasn't allowed so no thinking took place.... but damn, doesn't he sound articulate? What a difference speechwriters, puppet masters and a prepped bit of propaganda to dish out to the masses makes, eh?

This is only a taste of what deliciousness November 7th (or is it November 3rd?) is going to bring to our tounges. The desperate spin, the whiny cries, the excuses upon excuses... all a distinct attempt to hide their total bewilderment. Leftist with their heads in the cloud thought this race was over. Now they've finally realized they're in a whole heap of trouble. Time to circle the wagons buckaroos.

October 4, 2012 at 13:38 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

New mantra from the faithful Moonbatz™: "WE ARE THE 25%!!"

October 4, 2012 at 13:48 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

This is only a taste of what deliciousness November 7th (or is it November 3rd?) is going to bring to our tounges.

Ha ha ha ha ha! Back away from the champagne, skinny. Come November 8 (or is it 10th?), you may have only the taste of ashes on your tounge.

October 4, 2012 at 13:57 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

It’s also important to note the one (and only thing) Romney did last night besides lie (well, and interrupt): in a number of ways, he threw the conservative movement under the bus and tried to change his spots. He shifted to the left so he could plausibly campaign as the moderate governor of a liberal Northeastern state. Now, the Wingnutz™ don’t care—they’d cheer him on eating kittens on live TV so long as he crushes the President—but this is significant. It’s an implicit acknowledgement that the Right’s extremism at this point is electoral poison, and the CP who bought the GOP nomination is forced to shape-shift yet again.

Mitt sure did give the ole Etch-A-Sketch a good shake last night didn't he? And for some reason he looked to me like he was about to cry most of the time. Don't know why.

I was wondering last night if Obama was having a bad night or he was just playing a bit of Rope-a-Dope. The consensus seems to be an off night though some of it seemed to be strategy. Obama was intentionally not looking at Romney and not directly engaging him. It didn't come off well either way and if Obama has a couple more debates like that he'll probably lose.

I still suspect we'll see some major fireworks Biden and Ryan get together.

October 4, 2012 at 14:00 | Registered Commenterkwawk

It’s the Blizzard of Lies problem. It’s pretty easy to appear animated, aggressive and confident when you’re just happily lying, lying, lying, and occasionally taking a break from lying to make some outrageous shit up, or pull some shit out of your ass. It was one of the most—no, it was, hands-down, THE most shamelessly dishonest presentation I have ever seen a modern-day politician give in a public setting. CP lied about everything.

Poor Obama. It hard to demogouge and attack strawman arguments when your opponent's available for rebuttals, isn't it?

October 4, 2012 at 14:13 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

Some of the complaints about Romney state that he just gave out bullet points or lists on many topics.

Later in the debate the President also tried to give a list, but had a little trouble remembering what letter comes after "A". I heard it live, and even though it is a small little mistake, I had to chuckle when the Lightbringer couldn't get a two-point list straight.

Quote from transcript:

"But, ultimately, part of being principled, part of being a leader is, A, being able to describe exactly what it is that you intend to do, not just saying, "I'll sit down," but you have to have a plan.

Number two, what's important is occasionally you've got to say no, to -- to -- to folks both in your own party and in the other party. And, you know, yes, have we had some fights between me and the Republicans when -- when they fought back against us reining in the excesses of Wall Street? Absolutely, because that was a fight that needed to be had.

October 4, 2012 at 14:17 | Registered CommenterDuff, man

I don’t begrudge Nooshans having themselves a lovely day, but they seriously underestimate how many Americans already decided weeks ago that Clueless Plutocrat may be the most shameless and brazen liar ever to stand on an American political stage. Many of them are already casting or have even already cast their votes.

Wingnutz™ Inc. is all jacked up that CP was animated and confident. Being animated and confident is falling-down easy if your plan consists—in its entirety—of: lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.

October 4, 2012 at 14:23 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

Romney lies = correcting Obama/Leftist demagoguery and strawman arguments.

October 4, 2012 at 14:29 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

I've waited for over four years for someone to confront Obama properly. The hapless John "Please Like Me" McCain couldn't, or wouldn't, do it. The left wing MSM most certainly never did it. Now, finally, someone has done it. And it left a mark on The Empty Chair.

Will this make a difference in the outcome of the election? I dunno. But schadenfreude can be a lot of fun.

October 4, 2012 at 14:30 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

And with regards to health care, you had remarkable details with regards to my pre-existing condition plan. You obviously studied up on -- on my plan. In fact, I do have a plan that deals with people with pre-existing conditions.

That was my favorite line from the debate.

You've obviously studied up on my plan.

Yes. Why yes I have.

Shit! Now I can't lie about it!

October 4, 2012 at 14:41 | Registered Commenterkwawk

I also liked the part about how Romney disagreed with passing of healthcare reform because he thought it was a state issue, but also thought something like healthcare reform shouldn't have been passed without Republcian votes.

A lot like the old adage about going to a restaraunt..... The food here is terrible! And the portions are much too small!


In any case, enjoy the moment Red. I'm still leaning towards the Rope-a-Dope angle. Let Romney think he's winning in order to fire up the Dem base and have Romney state that he is for just about anything and everything in order to trip him up in a couple of weeks.

That debate last night was so un-Obama it was bizarre to watch.

October 4, 2012 at 14:46 | Registered Commenterkwawk

In fact, I do have a plan that deals with people with pre-existing conditions . . . Shit! Now I can't lie about it!

Oh, that wasn’t even a speed bump, kwAwk. He f***ing lied about it anyway.

With respect to Obamacare, CP’s plan is to repeal it, except the parts everyone likes, which he’ll keep. Why insurers will suddenly cover kids to 26 and those with pre-existing conditions and why they'll suddenly spend their revenues on medical care instead of stockholder dividends, huge salaries and gold-plated executive-office shower rods studded with diamonds if they’re not required to do any of those things, CP won’t explain. It’s all dessert and no vegetables. He thinks we’re stupid.

October 4, 2012 at 15:03 | Registered CommenterWinston

My favorite part was Obama's hissy fit over not getting enough details details DETAILS of Romney's plan... apparently not seeing the outright hypocrisy, that which has earned him the nickname of "Mr. Transparency".

October 4, 2012 at 15:05 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

I think Obama wishes he could have just voted present last night.

October 4, 2012 at 15:07 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Romney should have let Obama eat his waffle.

October 4, 2012 at 15:13 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

I love it that the left thinks the debate last night would have been different if only President Incompetent would have brought up the 47%, contraception and defended Big Bird.... It’s really clear that when you get Barry away from the adoring eunuchs, teleprompters and reporters who treat him like a Pin-Up Boy he's there naked on stage for his incompetence and indifference to what Americans want or what has made us great.. Dems know hope is on the horizon with the Veep debate next week. They won’t have to waste their time lowering expectations because how do you lower expectations when Joe Biden is debating? They can just focus on Joe and make sure if he brings up ‘chains’ it’s not about putting Barrack Obama back in them..

October 4, 2012 at 15:17 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

My other favority part of the debate that most media outlets seem to miss was when Obama stated that he had become quite fond of the name Obamacare. That was a nice little needle at Romney.

Then watching Romney trying to defend Romneycare as the best solution to the healthcare issue yet saying it wasn't right for other states on Massachusettes.

October 4, 2012 at 15:45 | Registered Commenterkwawk

You know the debate was an abject disaster when the left tries to position the best part of the night thinking we love Obamacare . It’s shocking that a cold indifferent Prezzie without his teleprompter would struggle in a debate that wasn’t against a straw-man.

October 4, 2012 at 16:12 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Oh shit, he said fair share... I can't believe he said FAIR SHARE!"

**rips out last remaining hair follicles**

October 4, 2012 at 16:13 | Unregistered CommenterDavid Axelrod

I think Romney did win the debate in the impression sence. I haven't disputed that TM. But I'm sure it's hard to debate prep against somebody who takes whatever position is convenient at the time.

Apparently Mitt Romney, former moderate governor of Massachusettes decided to show up again out of nowhere as opposed to Mitt Romney, winner of the Republican primary, devoted late life convert to the right wing conservative cause.

In any case I think the next debate with Ryan/Biden should be interesting as Ryan tries to pivot to defend the new Mitt the moderate personna.

October 4, 2012 at 16:30 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Kwawk, this what happens when people believe their own demagoguery.

October 4, 2012 at 16:49 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

"Biden: 'Yes, We Do' Want to Raise Taxes By a Trillion Dollars"

This debate next Thursday will be comedy gold!!

October 4, 2012 at 17:46 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Mach - Now that I've had a day to process this let me say this. Mitt Romney was given a chance last night in the debate to present himself with a hands off moderator who attempted to have an intelligent debate. In doing so he took the opportunity to completely misrepresent what he has been running on for the past 2 years. He made some really good points legitimate points surely, but when backed into a corner by Obama he lied his way out of it.

In doing so he scored some good political hits on Obama, but in the process he completely humiliated Jim Leher one of the most respected journalists in this country.

So I'll make my prediction on this so I'm first, not only with Barack Obama be ready for Mitt by the time they debate on October 16th, but the moderator is going to be ready for Mitt as well and they're going to challenge him directly on his plan.

When that happens you guys are going to be screaming like a bunch of howler monkeys about media bias.

October 4, 2012 at 17:46 | Registered Commenterkwawk

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