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Oct022012

Death Panels, Part II

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Yet another reality of Obamacare is finally being brought out into the light.  Must be one of those things that Madam Pelosi said we would discover only after the bill was passed. 

Care rationing, or death panels if you will, are a harsh reality.  So much for Obama's PR team's assurance that no such thing would ever happen.  Tell any lie to get the bill passed, right Mr. President?

This comes as no surprise to anyone who has been paying attention, but those who only casually educate themselves via the Obama Media Complex are sure to be alarmed by this startling bit of honesty rearing its head amidst the cloud of leftist lies.   

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/opinion/health-care-reform-beyond-obamacare.html?_r=0

 Hat tip to Mark Levin, aka The Great One.

 

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We control life, Winston, at all its levels. You are imagining that there is something called human nature which will be outraged by what we do and will turn against us. But we create human nature. Men are infinitely malleable.

-- George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four

October 2, 2012 at 09:38 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

"Death panels"
"Fast & Furious"
"Zingers"
"Obamaphones"


The sound of a clunker running out of gas.

October 2, 2012 at 09:57 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

I'm surprised Winston can hear anything with his head shoved up his ass.

October 2, 2012 at 10:27 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

I'm surprised Winston can hear anything with his head shoved up his ass.

That's a common problem among lefties. It accounts for their crappy outlook on America, life, freedom, and personal responsibility.

October 2, 2012 at 11:02 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Other than having the word 'rationing' hitting an emotional nerve center in your brain causing an immediate and severe seizure, is there anything in the opinion piece that you actually disagree with?

Is it your contention that we can afford infinite medical care for the elderly in order to preserve life to the extent of saving every possible minute?

Does the idea of private insurance companies making these decisions on how to ration care somehow making you feel better and more secure than having government do so? Can you really not see that all insurance plans are in the business of rationing care on a daily basis? Want to see a specialist? Get a referral! Want that new drug that is best in class for your disease state? Sorry not covered under our formulary. Think you might want to go to the emergency room for that funny pain in your side? Be careful, is that hospital in network?

October 2, 2012 at 11:11 | Registered Commenterkwawk

KwAwk, you have once again missed the entire point. That point is the LIES told by Obama and his cohorts.

October 2, 2012 at 11:20 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

"idea of private insurance companies making these decisions on how to ration care somehow making you feel better and more secure than having government do so?

Kwawk, you’re a vet. Which hospital system gives better care, the VA or a private hospital? Although I'm not a vet ,I've spent many hours in both and it's no contest; the private hospital. The level of personal care, quality of doctors and modern medical equipment is unbelievable. All brought to you by the U.S. government for twice the cost and half the value. Your "there's a pony under all that horse shit" faith that 'this time' the government will get it right is mis-paced

October 2, 2012 at 11:26 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Death Panel...
Health Care...
ObamaCare...
Obama...
Mullato...
Black...
RACIST!!

The 6 degrees of racism wins again!

October 2, 2012 at 11:51 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

I would say just the opposite TM. I've never been served in a VA hospital as I have private insurance but my is father a veteran from back in the day has repeatedly recieved quality care. He doesn't always get what he wants when he wants it but he's also not had to pay out thousands of dollars out of pocket for what he needs done.

There are good hospitals in his hometown but his has for years been willing to travel 100 miles to get treated at the VA because it is most certainly cheaper than a private hospital. That level of personal care you talk about at the private hospital is expensive.

Private medical providers are very good at making it seem like it's all about you. That they're just providing the best care because you're so important! But anybody who's been through the military has more than likely learned their lesson, taught to them with love from their drill instructor, that it ain't about you.

October 2, 2012 at 12:01 | Registered Commenterkwawk

I should note that the VA hospital my dad goes to is in Ann Arbor and thus has a lot of the same doctors as the University of Michigan Hospital System. I'm sure not all VA hosiptals are the same just as all private hospitals are not the same.

October 2, 2012 at 12:04 | Registered Commenterkwawk

KwAwk, you have once again missed the entire point. That point is the LIES told by Obama and his cohorts.

Except there were not lies by the Obama administration. The Affordable Care Act did not contain any rationing regulations, it only made available to people end of life counceling.

You know, for doctors to sit down with patients and discuss with them their treatment options and what the realistic chances were for success of said treatment so they could decide for themselves having all of the information whether to get that hail mary treatment with little to no chance at success. And perhaps to get more people to sign living wills so that if they're 75 years old and they have a massive heart attack they don't get put on a ventilator for weeks or months costing society hundreds of thousands of dollars.

October 2, 2012 at 12:13 | Registered Commenterkwawk

TM - Here's a good article on VA healthcare...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1376238,00.html

October 2, 2012 at 12:27 | Registered Commenterkwawk

kwawk;

I could find 20 articles on VA hospitals to counter that one. Their not to the standards of private hospitals.

October 2, 2012 at 13:56 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

TM - As with most things Conservative, I think your information is outdated.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html

But please, don't tell me how you could pull up 20 contrary articles. Do it and get back to me. Maybe we'll both learn something.

October 2, 2012 at 14:12 | Registered Commenterkwawk

kwawk;

See Google. I'm not your research assistant. Plus, I'm not interested in debating you in thread #314 in this post over the nuance of what some doctor said

October 2, 2012 at 16:30 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

lol TM Even when you try to insult someone you get it backwards. You see you're the one who claimed you could ' find 20 articles on VA hospitals to counter that one" and then when you're asked to do it you come up with the not being a research assistant remark.

Perhaps you shouldn't claim to be able to find 20 articles backing up your case if you can't really do it. :)

October 2, 2012 at 19:15 | Registered Commenterkwawk

No kwawk; try to educate yourself. That's not my job.

LOL..........

October 2, 2012 at 19:19 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Oh' oh, Drudge has the 'Red Siren’ going on their site! They normally save that for Interns sucking POTUS dick. They will only confirm that they have a video with Barry, Rev Wright and 'racist' comments' by Obama.

Anyone shocked besides tthe eunuchs?? Not me.

October 2, 2012 at 19:27 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

You're actually doing a fairly good job of helping me educate myself TM. I see your posts and the claims you make. I say to myself, that can't possibly be true and I Google it. And I learn something new and figure out, yep, what TM said isn't true yet again.

October 2, 2012 at 19:30 | Registered Commenterkwawk

kwawk;

Whatever you say. Your MSNBC one-track mind it a beautiful thing to laugh at.

October 3, 2012 at 06:23 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Barack Obama 2008 on Jeremiah Wright-

"I never heard his sermons."

Barack Obama 2007 on Jeremiah Wright-

"It was also there — at Trinity United Church of Christ on the South Side of Chicago — that I met Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., who took me on another journey and introduced me to a man named Jesus Christ. It was the best education I ever had.”

I guess this only crystallizes a little better what a liar Obama is. But we already knew that.

October 3, 2012 at 06:31 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

I learn something new and figure out, yep, what TM said isn't true yet again.

Whatever you say. Your MSNBC one-track mind it [sic] a beautiful thing to laugh at.

Tom established long ago the contempt he has for truth, reality, and facts. People who actively prefer and take pride in their ignorance and poisonous hateful nonsense (to the point of rejecting all disconfirming information) are making moral choices. They're People of the Lie, and—that being an unendurably painful way to live—must project it onto others. They're morally deformed.

October 3, 2012 at 07:46 | Registered CommenterWinston

Here's a LINK to the just uncovered racist rantings by President Uniter, in which he parrots Kanye West about Katrina, lavishes praise upon his mentor Jeremiah "G** D*** America" Wright, and does it all in a transparently deliberate and pandering "urban" voice.

What a phony.

Oh, and a big "shout out" to the corrupt Obamedia for covering this up for so long, and for prior releases of doctored and sanitized transcripts as provided by Obama's crowd, trying to put a better face on this sorry excuse for a president. But too bad; the real video is now out there, and it's not pretty.

October 3, 2012 at 08:14 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

The Whitey tape!! At last!!

October 3, 2012 at 08:56 | Registered CommenterWinston

... and Bill Ayers was just a guy in his neighborhood.

October 3, 2012 at 09:06 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

...and Frank Marshall Davis was just a casual acquaintance that he hardly knew.

October 3, 2012 at 09:47 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

"Death panels"
"Fast & Furious"
"Zingers"
"Obamaphones"
"Palls around with terrorists"
"The NEW Whitey tape"

The sound of a clunker running out of gas. Cough, spit, sputter. Time to pull over onto the shoulder, pop the hood and take a look. This jalopy ain't gon' run no more.

October 3, 2012 at 10:03 | Registered CommenterWinston

And now we have Obama promising to have taxpayers pick up the tab for any lawsuits or penalties if defense contractors will only put off their mandated layoff notices until after the election.

Obamedia reaction: "Nothing to see here. No election tampering, no malfeasance by the Meadow Muffin-in-Chief."

October 3, 2012 at 10:11 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

"Election tampering"? Redneckbeard has balls of brass.

Meanwhile, I just can’t stop laughing over Whitey Tape II (or is it III? So hard to keep track) . Shorter Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson: “We have a Negro President. The horror!

October 3, 2012 at 10:17 | Registered CommenterWinston

Heh. Looks like Obama decided to can the gross "lady parts" E-card campaign tactic. I mean, not because it was gross, disgusting, and dishonest; just because he was getting so much heat for it.

October 3, 2012 at 10:45 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

I'm starting to get really amused about how right wingers link to or post videos and without any explanation at all expect the rest of the world to see it as shocking proof that they were right all along.

Okay, so Obama was questioning whether race played an issue in whether to exempt New Orleans from Stafford requirements the way New York was after 9/11 or Florida was after Hurricane Andrew.

Is there any evidence to show that New Orleans was treated the same as the other two events? Is there any reason that we should believe that a racial component to the differential treatment is absurd or out of the question? So absurd as to make speculation of one a radically insane idea?

October 3, 2012 at 10:47 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Read the damned article, kwAwk. Geez.

October 3, 2012 at 10:52 | Registered CommenterRedBeard

I'm starting to get really amused about how right wingers link to or post videos and without any explanation at all expect the rest of the world to see it as shocking proof they were right

It's the epistemic closure thing, kwAwk. They've been living in a hermetically sealed bubble so long they think it's real in there.

As opposed to just real ugly.

Bonus giggles was the breathless wanking outrage that Obama "criticized the response to Katrina." Too funny. What planet do these people come from?

October 3, 2012 at 10:59 | Registered CommenterWinston

Can’t resist quoting at length:
What A Pathetic Operation Tucker Carlson Is Running

The Daily Race-Baiter tries to come up with the “Whitey Tape” that didn’t exist in 2008, steps on a rake. It’s impossible for a rational person to understand why anything Obama said is objectionable, but it does indeed reflect the familiar conservative trope that noting racial injustice in America is far worse than racism could ever be.
. . . still, the liberal media will suppress the time Obama had tuna salad that was made with herbs and olive oil rather than Miracle Whip, which I’m pretty sure is . . . impeachable . . .

The rest is at the link. A smarmy bow-tied dweeb just played all you Wingnutz™ for colossal dumbass rubes. Your in-unison response: “Thank you sir may I have another?”
Is it too much to hope someone provides a new thread for commenting on this Hindenburg-level event?

October 3, 2012 at 11:57 | Registered CommenterWinston

Okay Red, I've read the article and color me unsurprised that black people in this country feel that they've experienced racism in this country and were skeptical of the response to 9-11.

It’s a remarkable moment, and not just for its resemblance to Kayne West’s famous claim that “George Bush doesn’t care about black people,” but also because of its basic dishonesty. By January of 2007, six months before Obama’s Hampton speech, the federal government had sent at least $110 billion to areas damaged by Katrina. Compare this to the mere $20 billion that the Bush administration pledged to New York City after Sept. 11.

Moreover, the federal government did at times waive the Stafford Act during its reconstruction efforts. On May 25, 2007, just weeks before the speech, the Bush administration sent an additional $6.9 billion to Katrina-affected areas with no strings attached.
/blockquote>

These paragraphs jumped out at me. First of all 9-11 as far as physical damage was confined to slightly more than one city block vs widespread damage in atleast 3 states for Katrina. So the $20 billion vs $110 billion is an apples to oranges comparison.

Secondly notice the slight of hand in the paragraphs where Obama is referring to what happened in New Orleans, and the author keeps trying to change the subject to Katrina affected areas? That would include a large chunk of LA, FL, MS and AL. Notice that the author also states that the Stafford requirement was waived for $6.9 billion to Katrina affected areas, but the article seems to imply that $20 billion was waived for NYC.

The article isn't really specific enough to deny anything Obama said because it doesn't address New Orleans.

October 3, 2012 at 12:35 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Well kwAwk, say what you will, bend the story to suit. Look, I know you want all the leftist goodies, like wealth redistribution and weak foreign policy, but it sure would be nice if your standard bearer weren't such a scumbag while working to turn the U.S. into your desired 3rd world utopia. Wrong on policy is one thing; scumbaggery is another.

October 3, 2012 at 12:57 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Careful Red, your white hood is peeking out.

October 3, 2012 at 13:39 | Registered Commenterkwawk

I know, it's just killing them, isn't it? I can't help but imagine "scumbaggery" to be standing in for some other term sporting double-Gs in the middle, but that would make me, as always I guess, the REAL racist.

After all, Robert Byrd something something something . . .

October 3, 2012 at 14:27 | Registered CommenterWinston

Does the idea of private insurance companies making these decisions on how to ration care somehow making you feel better and more secure than having government do so? Can you really not see that all insurance plans are in the business of rationing care on a daily basis?

In what world(other than the current) is the only options being government control or 'healthcare insurance" from the private sector? Fee for service anyone? Catastophic coverage?

October 3, 2012 at 14:35 | Unregistered Commentertadmjones

KwAwk, is that juvenile and intellectually deficient white hood crap really the best you can do? Honestly? If so, I guess I've misjudged you as being someone worth debating. Sorry for my error in judgement.

Oh, and I guess we need to add the word "scumbag" to the list of racist dogwhistles. Who knew? You leftists really need to publish an unabridged book on the subject. It'll be a massive tome, I'm sure. Be sure to include the obviously bigoted words "Chicago" and "golf."

Pathetic.

October 3, 2012 at 14:46 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

BREAKING!! In other news, shocking new video in the exclusive possession of (MUST CREDIT) Breitbart’s Big Government conclusively proves Barack Obama has fathered at least one, possibly even two, black children.

October 3, 2012 at 14:48 | Registered CommenterWinston

Tad, that's really not the point. The core of the argument at the head of this thread isn't the rationing so much as the pack of lies that Obama told us about what Obamacare would, and would not, do to us. Of course nothing is free, not lunch and not health insurance.

But in the private insurance world, where I have been covered all my life, I can opt to buy pretty much any degree of coverage I want, from a basic catastrophic policy (like I had in the really lean times of starting a business) to a robust plan that pays for virtually everything.

October 3, 2012 at 14:54 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Tad, that's really not the point. The core of the argument at the head of this thread ["Death Panels II"] isn't the rationing so much as the pack of lies that Obama told us about what Obamacare would, and would not, do to us.

No, Tad is completely on point. If your basis for saying the President told a "pack of lies" about his healthcare plan is that he mischaracterized the role of rationing, then the distribution of medical resources before and after passing the ACA could not be more relevant.

What you want is a "debate" on whether the President told a "pack of lies" and you want to restrict that debate by starting with an unchallengeable premise that the President told a "pack of lies" because "death panels are a harsh reality."

No surprise if Tad loses interest in such a monstrously phony "debate."

Obamacare is not going to be repealed. Move on. Maybe you can helpfully point out the President secretly married a black woman.

October 3, 2012 at 15:34 | Registered CommenterWinston

So you check out of the hospital; the illness or malady returns and the government "fines" I mean reduces the reimbursement payment to the hospital for re-admitting you. Good luck lefties getting re-admitted for those objects 'mysteriously' lodged up your ass. So maybe not a death panel but just another government cluster f**k.

October 3, 2012 at 16:20 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! ZOMG! Longtime rightwing crackpot urges people to “leave the Democrat [sic] Party.” Film at 11. Sorry, I sent my outrage circuits out for regular maintenance. Check with me Tuesday, maybe I can work up a little moderate indignation.

Maybe Redneckbeard can send Breitbart a blockbuster electrifying video conclusively proving the President has kinky hair. That should turn things around.

October 3, 2012 at 17:03 | Unregistered CommenterWinston

Oh, and I guess we need to add the word "scumbag" to the list of racist dogwhistles. Who knew? You leftists really need to publish an unabridged book on the subject. It'll be a massive tome, I'm sure. Be sure to include the obviously bigoted words "Chicago" and "golf."

I was more going on the repeated references to 'third world utopias'. A third world utopia where the people are mostly brown as opposed to the first world euro-style eutopia where the people are mostly white.

It strikes me the need you have to ascribe motivation to Obama's activites. He's not just incompetant, he's evil. He's not ruining us with bad policies, he's actively trying to dupe the American people into voluntarily destroying the country.

October 3, 2012 at 17:14 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! ZOMG! Longtime rightwing crackpot urges people to “leave the Democrat [sic] Party.” Film at 11. Sorry, I sent my outrage circuits out for regular maintenance. Check with me Tuesday, maybe I can work up a little moderate indignation.

Maybe Redneckbeard can send Breitbart a blockbuster electrifying video conclusively proving President Obama has kinky hair. That should turn things around. Oh, wait a minute! Breitbart’s dead. Sh*t!

October 3, 2012 at 17:16 | Registered CommenterWinston

In what world(other than the current) is the only options being government control or 'healthcare insurance" from the private sector? Fee for service anyone? Catastophic coverage?

True enough, but fee for service and catastrophic coverage are simply another form of rationing.

Government Rationing - Government decides how much and what healthcare you receive based upon cost and benefit analysis.

Insurance Company Rationing - Private insurance decides what healthcare you receive based upon cost and benefit analysis along with profit motive.

Self Rationing - People deciding what healthcare they recieive based upon cost and benefit analysis and ability to pay.

October 3, 2012 at 17:18 | Registered Commenterkwawk

... 2 - 1 - ignition

October 3, 2012 at 17:21 | Unregistered CommenterNo Shit

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