LIVE: 2012 Presidential Debate Number Two - The Town Hall Forum / Open Thread

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Moderated by Candy Crowley of CNN from Hofstra University.

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[Duff, man]

Have you seen the video of Romney at the Al Smith Dinner?

Not bad, the boy can bring some funny.

10 minutes of some pretty witty comments by Mr. Romney.

[skinnydipinacid]

Derp 2 - the sequel

Not only funny, but you simply have to read the last line where it says "Update".

[Thomas Miller]

"I will take heart that at least on this issue I seem to have finally gotten you to admit that the right wing propaganda machine was wrong in their trumpeting of the Jeff Sessions report"

I have no clue what point kwawk is trying to make here. The one I do know is we spent something close to a trillion dollars in 2011 on programs deemed to be welfare. A 32% increase in four years. Unsustainable under any tax rates. The financial reckoning that is coming is going to make all these money discussions look so small in hindsight.

[RedBeard]

DERP Part II is pretty funny, all the way around. Stones, glass house. Emperor, no clothes. All that stuff.

Tom, if you can ever figure out what kwAwk is trying to say, please let me know. He's so wrapped up in senseless leftie talking points and silly mantras like Corporate Personhood that there's just no telling. Meanwhile, let's take away the right of his precious unions to be "persons" and to make political ads, and listen to him scream in agony.

[Thomas Miller]

Just watched the Al Smith dinner speeches by Obama & Romney. Both were pretty good but Romney just seems so much looser. His joke that he (Mitt) has his wife Anne to lean on during this election and Obama has Bill Clinton was pretty damm funny.

[kwawk]

“Corporations are people, my friend,” Romney said.

Known leftist and union sympathizer Willard M. Romney explaining to the masses the position of leftists everywhere.

In any case, if you guys were more critical of your own news sources when they publish something stupid, ala the Sessions report on Welfare</> you would be rewarded with better quality news and commentary. If indeed better quality news and commentary is what you really want.

When MSNBC got taken in by the whole Gilligan and Stench thing, did I waste a moment trying to defend them? Ofcourse not.

[RedBeard]

Are you just pretending not to understand what Romney was saying about corporations, or are you really totally under the influence of the Koolaid? In the same sense exactly, unions are people, my friend.

[Winston]

you would be rewarded with better quality news and commentary. If indeed better quality news and commentary is what you really want.

They don't. They far prefer having their bigotry, resentment and feelings of persecution and victimhood reinforced. The con is very old and its techniques well-developed. Historically, the places it leads to are extremely ugly.

[RedBeard]

I see it's "bigotry" today instead of "racism." Nice to get a change-up once in a while.

[kwawk]

I'm not pretending to misunderstand what Romney said nor am I misunderstanding what he has said in actuality. His point is that corporations are merely fronts for people and as such they represent people.

My contention would be that the people who are organizing as corporations are inherently declaring themselves to be separate from that corporation. Thus from a legal standpoint the owners of the corporation would not be having their first amendment right violated by restrictions to giving to political campaigns.

My other contention is that a corporation is formed by submitting for approval articles of incorporation to the government for approval, a strictly legal document, and that since government is granting the right to exist of the corporation, government should know which rights and priviliges it meant for the corporation to have.

[RedBeard]

Corporations are made up of people. So are unions.

[Winston]

Well, "bigotry" encompasses a little more. Fact is, they don't want better quality news and commentary. They far prefer having their racism, homophobia, misogyny, class privilege, jingoism, resentment, and feelings of persecution and victimhood reinforced. The con is very old and its techniques well-developed. Historically, the places it leads to are extremely ugly ultimately horrific.

[Winston]

Corporations are made up of people. So are unions.

True enough. But unions were created to strengthen individual workers’ bargaining power vis-à-vis more powerful employers, while corporations were created to shield investors from personal legal liability.
I’d be perfectly willing to outlaw union campaign contributions along with corporate ones if that were the deal; both are corrupting. But for all rightwingers whine about union campaign money, they’d never take that deal: corporations and business and industry groups vastly outspend unions.

[RedBeard]

They far prefer having their racism, homophobia, misogyny, class privilege, jingoism...

Oh, my goodness! Look at all that utter crap crammed into one short phrase. What a nice summary of leftist imbecility. Thanks, Winston, for not wasting excessive bandwidth with one of your usual rambling and incoherent posts. Short and sweet. That's the way.

[kwawk]

State governments are made up of people too. Perhaps we should allow State Governments to give money to political campaigns.

Let me ask Red. When a corporation is giving money to a campaign, whose money are they giving?

[Winston]

Look at all that utter crap crammed into one short phrase. What a nice summary of leftist imbecility. Thanks, Winston

No, thank YOU. I consider it worthwhile every time I can coax some rightwing wackadoodle to sneer openly their support for bigotry in all its rancid forms.

[RedBeard]

No, no, Winnie... really, I'm serious, it's not necessary for you to keep proving what a twat you are (to borrow a colorful term from your darling Obamaton Eva Longoria).

[Winston]

And yet I know how deeply your compassion runs for those suffering the lash of persecution and stereotyping.

Red and friends forge new frontiers in victim-mongering. Till "things get a little crazy.”

[Winston]

Shoot. Double-posted one link and dropped another.
Here’s the one to the folks Red likes palling around with.

[kwawk]

Eva Longoria's twat is of interest to me.

[RedBeard]

Poor, poor Winnie. You can't come up with anything remotely close to an intellectually credible insult. It would be so much easier if you could take in facts, process them, and then post something close to logical. I'm not holding my breath.

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You're welcome.

Later, we'll get out the Dick, Jane and Spot books, and see if you can spell C-A-T.