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Tuesday
Oct162012

LIVE: 2012 Presidential Debate Number Two - The Town Hall Forum / Open Thread

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Moderated by Candy Crowley of CNN from Hofstra University.

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Women will love that Obama threw Hillary under the bus for Benghazi. Now do I think she was at fault; yes I do. Do I think Obama (the buck stops here) is at fault; yes I do. Will Obama EVER acknowledge he made a mistake or take responsibility for ANYTHING; no he won't. So the investigation needs to continue. In the meantime women we're luke warm on Obama before this and according to Gallop their support for Barry is falling faster than a Felix Baumgartner free-fall right now.

October 16, 2012 at 11:30 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Maybe Hillary will endorse Romney, lol

October 16, 2012 at 11:32 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

If I were Barry, knowing Hillary's ferocious temper, I'd be visiting the State Department wearing full body armor. Those lamps and ashtrays can hurt.

October 16, 2012 at 11:50 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

What? No pre-emptive excuses for this week's debate?

Surely, Barry Obama attended a birthday party or baby shower for Miss Crowley or someone in her family that would ensure that any result of this debate is null and void.

I know, Gallup is picking the audience. Surely they're going to stack it with Democrats right?

October 16, 2012 at 12:17 | Registered Commenterkwawk

We'll leave the excuses to MSNBC.

October 16, 2012 at 13:28 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

And as for Crowley... I actually feel she'll be the most fair of the bunch (which isn't saying much). Lehrer actually surprised me in debate 1 and I expect Candy to be equally as fair, however I do feel she'll be more likely to jump on a candidate if they say something outlandish, untruthful or deceitful. She's already done that in regards to both campaigns.

Which she'll attack and over what will be interesting to see.

October 16, 2012 at 13:47 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

We'll leave the excuses to MSNBC.

Well, at least excuse-making is something they're good at, unlike their fragile grasp of science.


October 16, 2012 at 14:03 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Wow, just heard Candy Crowley talk about how women are shafted on the better debates. Saying women are only capable of shoving mics in peoples' faces? She sounds like she has a chip on her shoulder for tonight. She'll definitely be on the lookout for the first sign of blood and go in for a bite when it shows. Could easily be a problem for one or both campaigns tonight.

Consider that an excuse for both sides (seriously).

October 16, 2012 at 14:16 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Red;

I saw this LOL. No Mensa accreditations for any of the MSNBC crowd cause darn it' "math is hard."

October 16, 2012 at 14:18 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

"Gallup’s Likely Voters Poll has Romney Winning 50–46"

The polls are really starting to move towards Romney.

October 16, 2012 at 14:23 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Okay, nm... it wasn't Crowley that said that... just some angry, NWO feminazi.

October 16, 2012 at 14:40 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

That angry and clueless woman seems to be unfamiliar with the fact that the debate is between Romney and Obama, not Romney, Obama and Crowley. Perhaps she will burn her bra in protest.

October 16, 2012 at 14:51 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Lehrer actually surprised me in debate 1 and I expect Candy to be equally as fair,

One can only be fair to Republicans by allowing them to lie without challenge. Hence the Fair and Balanced at Foxnews.

Had to laugh at the following article at Foxnews decrying the shocking liberal bias of Current TV....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/16/criticism-about-ryan-on-current-tv-is-for-dogs/

Lordy, there's not depth they'll stop at to play the victim.

October 16, 2012 at 16:39 | Registered Commenterkwawk

I know you like to pretend Fox News is the most extreme, biased network on television... but they don't come close to Current, who caters to those even too extreme for MSNBC.

... just sayin'.

October 16, 2012 at 17:03 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

I've never even seen Current, but given that they air Bill Press and Stephanie Miller, I fail to see how that could possibly be more extreme than Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Neil Cavuto.

October 16, 2012 at 17:28 | Registered Commenterkwawk

What's obama to do. He can't giggle and roll his eyes all through this debate like biden did (the polls are probably a good indication of that) and he can't lay back like he did in the last debate, So's it looks like he's got quite a task ahead. Of course they both have to be more on 'nice' I'd think because of the people sitting there so it's kinda hard to see how this is going to play out. Should be interesting. Bottom line is obama isn't going to like being challenged tonight any more than he ever has and I don't see Romney letting up. I

I watched every one of the Republican primary debates, all one thousand of them :), and Romney held his own even when he had every candidate on the stage firing at him and accusing him of either lying or flip flopping. So he knows how to handle that shit.

If obama doesn't have a significant win in this debate he's looking more like toast by the day.

Things are Galloping along quite well for Romney it appears. :)

October 16, 2012 at 17:55 | Registered CommenterTijuana

Will he have to answer what became yet another Joe "Laughing Stock" Biden gaffe?

“We are leaving in 2014, period, and in the process, we’re going to be saving over the next 10 years another $800 billion,” he said.

5 days later... meh, maybe not... we'll just blame it all on Hillary...
... mmm hmm ... yet again.

See what else #HillaryAlsoTookTheBlameFor today.

October 16, 2012 at 18:42 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid
October 16, 2012 at 18:56 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

However...
this is the funniest yet...

First, Chris Mathews called himself an "Independent"
Then Matthews declares that Biden lost the debate on Benghazi
Lastly, Chris Mathews refers to he Democrats as "We", negating previous claim

I hope for his sake Obama does at least okay.
He's clearly losing his mind.

October 16, 2012 at 20:37 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Scrolling through the channels before the debate and MSNBC just announced they think the two most important topics not previously discussed are women’s rights (Lilly Ledbetter) and contraception......

Maybe the channel was inadvertently on an old SNL skit because that's a parody right???

October 16, 2012 at 20:43 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

All Romney really needs to do is focus on Obama's record. It's simply indefensible...to rational people, anyway.

October 16, 2012 at 20:45 | Registered CommenterGrayRider

It was pretty astonishing seeing Candy bail out Obama on the mystery "act of terror" reference Mitt rightfully brought up and Obama claimed to make in regards to Benghazi. He never directly addressed Benghazi as an act of terror. When stuck between a rock and a hard place... just make up history. It's funny seeing liberals rip on Mitt over it now, apparently unaware Obama never directly addressed Benghazi as a terror attack (like Mitt said) until weeks later.

Seeing her bail him out on Fast and Furious when it had only begun was just lame. It was supposed to be a domestic and foreign policy debate... foreign policy was practically ignored tonight. Total shame.

How many times did she tell Romney they had plenty of time and they'd get back to something, only to go in another direction and never look back?

Barky was funny though... I think he must have gotten some debate prep from Joe Biden. "Here's how you do it kid... smile a lot, interrupt when you're starting to look bad and never, EVER look down". I think he took it a little too serious when he was told to get feisty tonight. He just looked awkward, then when he was pushed he stuttered like a buffoon and combated by getting feistier (with more stammering).

October 16, 2012 at 23:05 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Ouch, that was a baby seal clubbing. Romney is toast.

October 16, 2012 at 23:11 | Registered CommenterChoy Lee Mu

Poor Choy; the demwits want to believe so bad.......

As for the questions; Ledbetter, gun control, women’s reproductive rights, how are you different than George Bush. It goes on and on and even after all that Obama got his ass kicked. Libya is going to send Obama people to jail. Did you see Barry flare up at that guy for even asking it?

October 16, 2012 at 23:20 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

Yeah, that's why Obama squirmed every time he was pressed on hot issues, screamed "not true", was offered chances to defend his position(s) and then lied, changed subjects or both with his time. How many times did Obama cry when the time ran out and Romney was still talking?

Obama also doesn't seem to realize that many of those "green energy" jobs we have here in Iowa have been laying people off for months now.

October 17, 2012 at 00:05 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Obama did say that what happened at the embassy was an act of terror as was noted, but I think what is confusing issues is that he was talking about the attack on the embassy itself as being an act of terror, not saying that it was conducted by a particular terrorist group.

Debate was weird to me. Obama beat the snot out of Conservative Mitt, but I couldn't help thinking that the guy standing on the stage tonight, Moderate Mitt, was a guy who it wouldn't bother me if he became President.

Obama surely won the debate but I came away impressed with today's incarnation of Romney.

October 17, 2012 at 02:02 | Registered Commenterkwawk

The same people who think "Obama beat the snot out of Conservative Mitt" are the same one's for years now who have failed to acknowledge the incompetence, pettiness and disastrous economic policies brought forth by Obama. It would be like two sides seeing the effects of a tornado differently. Conservatives would see the property damage, deaths and lives changed forever. The left would say thank God for the rain. They can't even fathom Obama being a terrible President because they have so much emotionally invested in him to the point their blind to the critical and fatal faults he brings to the Presidency and is absolutely killing America.

October 17, 2012 at 06:28 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

But... but... but... we gotta vote for him, because he's black. So sayeth the astute sage of politics, Samuel L. Jackson.

Race should not matter one tiny little bit, but we have loads of imbeciles like Jackson out there, plus loads of guilt-ridden whilte liberals with a similar ridiculous race-based agenda.

October 17, 2012 at 06:44 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

"Honey Boo Boo endorsed President Barack Obama last night on Jimmy Kimmel's TV show." Add in Hugo Chavez and Obama has some odd demographics in his corner. So check off the socialist and sub-75 IQ vote for Obama.

October 17, 2012 at 07:30 | Unregistered CommenterThomas Miller

I should have left well enough alone, and remained ignorant about this Honey Boo Boo person. However, Tom, you forced me to look her up and watch a clip. Now my head hurts. ;-)

Btw, don't forget the prized Obama endorsement by thugs from the Communist Party USA.

October 17, 2012 at 07:56 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Obama did say that what happened at the embassy was an act of terror as was noted

Crowley admitted Romney was right after the debate. The Rose Garden speech on 9/12 was Obama emphasizing the anti-Islam video (which he did before then too, and even apologized to Muslims) before saying later in the speech that “no acts of terror would shake the resolve of this great nation.” He never directly addressed the attack in Benghazi as an "act of terror" as he tried to portray yesterday.

The administration then went on for weeks muddying up their position.

October 17, 2012 at 08:26 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Candy ass sides with the precedent on his Benghazi statement (which was absolutely false - when he made it and last night when he referenced it) and allows him 3+ minutes more in time than Romney but why should anyone complain about that.

Liberals will bite, scratch and kick you in the balls (fight like girly men) when they are loosing the debate.

The precedent will make no significant gains from this debate.

"Uh, I said it was a terrorist attack from day one. That's why I sent my ambassador out 5 day's later to state on no less than 5 news shows that it was the video tape, dammit, How many times to we have to say what we didn't say when we said it."

October 17, 2012 at 09:02 | Registered CommenterTijuana

Winston, I said race should not matter one tiny little bit, and I meant it, regardless of who is guilty. You knew that before you took time out of your busy day to do something so utterly meaningless. But then, you are a grotesquely disturbed person, so perhaps such a reality disconnect has to be expected.

October 17, 2012 at 09:06 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

What was even more laughable was Obama portraying himself as a champion for the coal industry. It's amazing people are actually dumb enough to buy into this nonsense, let alone think it's an ass-kicking strategy.

"Here's what we need you to do Barack... you need to get out there and bark, bark, bark... smile whenever you feel insecure with yourself but NEVER look down like last time... shows weakness... stand up... move your hands... distract from Mitt's point and then mope back over to the corner like a bad little puppy... good Barky... goooood. Doesn't matter how bad we fail on the substance in this debate, we just need you to come out looking more like Joe Biden."

October 17, 2012 at 09:07 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Throwing spears... Winston assumes "black people"
Obama is lazy... Winston assumes "black people"
Racist tee of a likely Democrat plant... Winston laps it up with no question
Birtherism... Winston assumes "black people"
Food Stamps... Winston assumes "black people"
No driver's license... Winston assumes "black people"
People on welfare... Winston assumes "black people"

... is it any wonder why he screams racism over, well, everything?

Let's face it... Democrats WANT to show racism in any manner they can simply to demean the right, not because they care. They spout it every chance they can muster it up, over the most inane things, no matter how weak and pathetic it makes only themselves look in the process. They have too many liberal policies to force through and they're willing to demean anything they can to get them there, ESPECIALLY if all it takes is belittle the a race people they fought so hard to enslave throughout history (yeah... that's YOUR party Winston).

October 17, 2012 at 09:18 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

I respectfully disagree with kwAwk. Any Presidential candidate so craven as to try to politicize a national security crisis involving American deaths before the facts are in, has self-disqualified. And to do so by actively and knowingly misrepresenting the chronology and the facts is simply beneath contempt. It's categorically unacceptable.

Forget "the 47%", forget the ever-changing positions, forget the constant dishonesty, forget the shameless race-baiting, forget the Bush/Cheney advisors and policies. This alone renders Romney toxic and morally unfit for the office.

October 17, 2012 at 09:27 | Registered CommenterWinston

Post debate focus groups:

"Luntz Focus Group Of Mostly Former Obama Voters Switch To Romney"

And should you think it was set up to lean right, none other than,

"MSNBC's panel of undecided voters swayed toward Mitt Romney after tonight's presidential debate."

Looks like the prez didn't see the worm in the apple as he was biting so vociferously into it.

October 17, 2012 at 09:32 | Registered CommenterTijuana

And considering windy's response to the debate, I'd say Romney did quite well.

October 17, 2012 at 09:35 | Registered CommenterTijuana

Winston - I agree that Mitt's comments early in the events surrounding Libya were wrong both morally and politically. He should have waited until the facts on the ground were out, and stood behind the President on bringing the people who did this to justice.

The events after the attack and that it took the Obama administration way to long to get it's facts straight about what really happened is a legitimate criticism.

Romney, blew his chance to attack Obama on it last night but not having his own facts straight and over stepping his own attacks. As much as Obama was chided for his first debate performance, when Romney lied about his tax plan, Obama backed off because he wanted to avoid making the kind of mistake Romney made last night, with regards to attacking someone repeatedly and with certainty and then being proven wrong.

October 17, 2012 at 09:53 | Registered Commenterkwawk

I think Romney as a stand alone did well in last night's debate as far as his proposals, but when Obama was able to on every issue make the point that Severly Conservative Mitt during the Republican primary fight, took the opposite position on most every issue, it hurt Romney pretty bad.

I actually respected the fact that Romney talked about the failures of George W. Bush and what he would do differently and the statement that the Republican Party has been in the pocket of big business for too long.

But in all Obama had a really good night and was able to sell himself better than he has in quite a while.

October 17, 2012 at 09:56 | Registered Commenterkwawk

Any Presidential candidate so craven as to try to politicize a national security crisis involving American deaths before the facts are in, has self-disqualified.

If you're referring to the Romney statement condemning the Cairo embassy's twitter messages on 9/11, even the Obama administration has disavowed those twitter messages.

October 17, 2012 at 10:06 | Registered CommenterMachiavelli

Lying Assweasel started off answering the “Aren’t you the Return of the Catastrophe on Two Legs?” question by lying. He said employers shouldn’t decide women’s access to contraception, to which all women, he said, should have access. A lie. In fact, he supports Catholic college campuses being able to refuse their Presbyterian janitors any medical coverage that includes birth control, even if they need it for medical reasons. Then he says “we can now, by virtue of new technology, actually get all the energy we need in North America without having to [import oil]” . . . [energy self-sufficiency is here, I decree it!] Ridiculous, stupid nonsense.

He says he’s different from Bush in that

“I’ll crack down on China and . . . dramatically expand trade in Latin America.”
Then he flat-out lied about the size of deficits under the Obama Administration.

Anyone think the rap on the Bush administration was failing to “get tough” on China, and neglecting Latin American trade? Me neither. Clueless Plutocrat/Lying Assweasel dodged the woman’s question. In his defense, he had no choice: to the extent he stands for anything at all, he stands for the Bush agenda—large tax cuts for the very wealthy, ballooning the deficit, deregulating financial markets, and waving his tiny dick around starting unnecessary wars. The asshats who botched Iraq? Those are his foreign policy advisors.

October 17, 2012 at 10:43 | Registered CommenterWinston

I'm pretty sure he was using the strawman argument that Romney is politicizing Benghazi, you know, by coming out and saying what the President of the United States SHOULD have said... and not apologize to Muslims and tweet stupidity for all the Muslim world to see.

It's funny that Obama cries about Romney "polticizing" the tragedy, when since it occured that Sept 11th that's literally ALL the President has done with it (well, that and ignore questions about it)... even dragging the Romney blame further into the election debates purely for political reasons. The man truly has no shame (and no Winston, that's not a "black" thing... so don't get your panties in a bunch) and proves himself to be the least presidential between the two.

October 17, 2012 at 10:43 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

If I had to guess at the backstory of the Libya controversy is that based upon information that turned out to be false, Mitt Romney made an ass out of himself by jumping the gun and is now accusing the Obama administration of setting up Mitt by giving him false information. The truth is probably closer to the fact that the Obama team gave Mitt bad information because they were getting bad information in the chaos of the moment.

Since there had been protests in Egypt about the video earlier in the day it was assumed that the events in Libya were somehow related, and it turns out they may not have been. In any case Romney should have kept quiet for another day to make sure he had all the facts.

October 17, 2012 at 10:52 | Registered Commenterkwawk

I just voted for Mitt Romney via absentee ballot. I feel clean all over.

Later, I'm gonna go down to Organizing for America and see if the Obamatons have any extras I can use to vote more than once.

October 17, 2012 at 10:53 | Unregistered CommenterRedBeard

Would you like me to send you an Iowa absentee ballot too RedBeard?
... it's okay, because we've been told "voter fraud doesn't exist."
(it's just an excuse for Republicans to act all racist and stuff)

Vote
Rock the Vote
Rocks
Marble
Black
RACIST!

October 17, 2012 at 10:58 | Registered Commenterskinnydipinacid

Winston - I agree with most of what you said which is why I made a point of saying that the Mitt Romney who was on stage last night seemed like a decent person, and the Severe Conservative version of Mitt is a jackass.

I know a lot of the same foreign policy advisors advise Romeny that advised Dubya, but at the same time a lot of the same guys advised Reagan too, and I've read that on Reagan's last day in office he expressed a lot of pride in not letting those morons convince him to go to war in Central America.

I agree with you that Mitt Romney lied about things last night, and also tried to frame the debate on issues like the deficit in a manner that best served him. But that is politics. But we can take heart can't we that we've come as close as we've gotten before to at least having a high profile national Republican admit that Dubya was indeed the 'Catastrophe Who Walked on Two Legs'.

October 17, 2012 at 11:00 | Registered Commenterkwawk

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