Take the ObamaCare Quiz
skinnydipinacid | Wednesday, September 23, 2009 at 23:47 in Education, Political Agendas | 36 Comments (Updated with a special video down below)
Hat tip to Smart Girl Nation: Information or Indoctrination?
This copy was submitted to the site founder from a concerned member of her website. Apparently the video wasn't shown in school, but the Anatomy teacher instead chose to show a taping of it later in the day... complete with a pop quiz.
Per the link provided above:
Her daughter, a senior in high school, had come home upset because, although the speech was not shown in her school, her anatomy teacher had made the class watch the President’s health care speech. After the video was shown, the students were given a short quiz about the speech. The questions asked gave the assumption that the answers provided in the President’s speech were fact and not opinion. The students were given no opportunity to discuss opposing views or have a debate on the topic. In fact, when one student stated that the President had lied, the student was told that kind of talk was unnecessary. Students in the class with opposing views were forced to remain silent or whisper amongst themselves.
The daughter of our member was so upset about what had occurred that she refused to finish the quiz and brought it home to her mother for review. A copy of the quiz is provided below. Some of these students were educated on the health care debate going on in the country, while others simply took the information as fact and filled out their quiz. For those students, President Obama’s speech was their education. Is that not considered indoctrination?
Take a look at what caused their distress:
Your non-partisan pop quiz. Feel free to answer the questions if you get truly bored.
Want more of the Skinny? Take a look at this little video of schoolchildren singing their praises to Barack Hussein Obama... it's so precious:
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So who here ever thought they would see the day when you would ever see the serious posting of a picture of a Black President being associated with Hitler Youth?
Come off it, kwAwk - you KNOW that any one isolated incident is COMPLETELY INDICATIVE of EVERY EVIL THING Obama wants to do TO OUR CHILDREN! Why else do you think the blogger wrote:
It was only the vigilance of the right that kept Obama from using that education speech to hypnotize an entire generation of American students! Now they're using his healthcare reform speech for those same nefarious ends!Moving on...
In this case, of course, we aren't told the teacher's name, the school's name, the city or even the state. There's no mention of "here's how to reach the school district to express your concern," nothing about complaints to the school or school board, no nothing - we're just shown a scan of a "quiz" (even though it says "study guide"?) that was supposedly given to an anatomy class in some high school somewhere. In other words, there is absolutely no information that can be independently verified. Until we see some details, color me skeptical.
(update: gee, you can't leave comments or questions on that story, either, so we can't even ask for verifiable details...hmmmmm)
"So who here ever thought they would see the day when you would ever see the serious posting of a picture of a Black President being associated with Hitler Youth?"
When you have a misinformation and pr machine that rivals anything coming out of a regime run by a dictator for the last 100 years, comparisons are bound to follow. When your policies put government in front of individual liberty and millions of people are upset that these are not the tenets for which our country was founded, comparisons to other 'state-run governments' are bound to follow.
So I'm not surprised posters like this are circulating on the web. Although I don't remember the left screaming of unfairness to the Bush Nazi posters, assassination movies or t-shirts with a sniper scope on his head. Excuse us all if your angst seems a little shallow and about four years too late.
"So who here ever thought they would see the day when you would ever see the serious posting of a picture of a Black President being associated with Hitler Youth?"
Yes we can.
I think she wants to protect the privacy of a user on her website Wes. I would like to think the same were possible if somebody such as Tijuana or Opinioned or Winston came to us with such a piece. If I could help protect one of them from being venomously attacked by the other side, I'd certainly do so. We've seen what happens to people who let themselves be known... the ACORN filmmakers are a prime example of this. Now we're seeing Barney Frank out there calling for investigations in them, while candy coating the ACORN mess calling for a "careful and objective analysis".
Per the WSJ:
Would I like that same contact info... you bet. I'm sure many people are bugging SGN for some more information on both sides... but I wouldn't be so quick to shrug it off if they choose to protect the name of the person from their website who provided such a piece, much in the same way that I would be unwilling to give up the name of one of our readers (unless of course, they gave us the okay).
I'm sure Wes will get down to the bottom of this in the most independent way possible.
It was considered "artistic" back then t.m.
If it happened as described, what reason is there for not publishing the school? Don't get me wrong - if this really happened, and it was in a public school, then that teacher needs to be disciplined and the entire school district reminded that the public schools are supposed to be non-partisan.
I'm not buying into "some teacher in some class in some high school in a US city did this."
Now, you just added the video of kids singing; do you see the difference? That video specifically tells us (on the YouTube page) when and where it was taken, so that the school can be held accountable.
I don't know... I've personallly had one of those liberal high school science teachers in the past (and no, I'm not going to say what high school I went to at the time, or what city... Iowa should be suffice). He was absolutleybrilliant when it came to his science teachings, in fact he had a pile of awars to his name for it, but was adamently anit-Reagan when my sister went there (to the point that his teachings infuriated my parents), and even more of a leftist when I had him during the Clinton/Dole/Perot election (in which my father chewed his ass a new one over, which only worked as a short time fix because then I became the blunt of his liberal jokes in class, giving me a unique introduction on how to combat a left-leaning moonbat).
My point being, it does happen in American schools, to the point this gives me flashbacks.
(insert your skinny/acid/flashbacks joke here)
My sources tell me this about the video:
Right, GrayRider, that was on the original source YouTube page, and the school is already being called to account. Fox News has an article up on the subject, and has asked the school for comment/confirmation. That's as it should be - and we should expect the same of the "quiz" allegations as well.
No Wes, I totally see what you're saying... I just don't agree that there's no way it could happen in America just because there wasn't more details. However I totally agree with you on this... I would absolutely LOVE to see the contact information posted, particularly that of the school district and anatomy teacher, and hope it gets leaked in due process, but you have to also respect the shitstorm that would occur if the student and her mother's name gets out. Just by giving the information of the school, it'll be pretty easy to find out by remembering which student threw the biggest stink over the matter. I wouldn't be surpirsed if they already knew, given the way this pop quiz is spreading over the internet, which would likely lead to the details of the rest involved. I don't envy the students position if it does. We'll likely hear from Media Matters how she had detention last month, got a D- on an anatomy exam last week and had her period that morning.
By the same token, Skinny, you have to see the problems with a similar storm of unconfirmed stuff, right?
I mean, this story is spreading like wildfire--SGP is a pretty well-known site--and it's already hit RightWingNews and Michelle Malkin's site. Of course, none of them are actually checking into it; they're just doing cut-and-paste jobs on the original article.
Very few people will post "Remember that article where I blasted liberals in education because those kids in anatomy class were forced to watch Obama and recite the party line on a quiz? Well, that never really happened - my bad" articles if this turns out to be bogus, simply because it lessens their argument. Even the commentators on Malkin's site (how do you register there? I can't find it...) are seeing the point; the most recent comment is:
Sounds like a job for the new Safe Schools Czar
True... true... but what they won't point out is the fact that of the only 2 questions she answered on the test, she also got those wrong:
1) No American lacks the access to healthcare coverage.
2) See number 1
This post is meant to tie in with the indoctrination going on in this video but I was struck by the RCP approval poll of Obama at 51.8%. RCP polls averages a number of polls and I was somewhat shocked that on the high side of the approval polls was Fox at 54%! So there lefties, you see Fox is fair and balanced.
@Kwawk: did you ever think you'd see the day you saw this picture?
@Thomas:, we've seen many times how the left comes out in full force to debunk Fox polls.
They spend more time trying to discredit Fox polls than they do participating in their own.
My main "mane", skinny. ;)
I'm surprised wes hasn't found something from back in, say, 2002 on Boosh being worshiped by the right in identical fashion. Surely there must be something.
As far as not jumping to conclusions before fact checking, upon viewing this video, can you imagine someone putting this together with a bunch of "innocent" kids with a drummed up school setting in the background? Hmmmmm, now that would be weird.
As far as incidents in the public schools are concerned, I don't know of anything particularly bad right off the bat where President Bush was concerned, but there have been political incidents such as these; I don't agree with the article's argument that teachers should have full free speech on the job (I don't claim such when I'm working), but the one episode that stuck in my mind was the principal who demanded that a student art display (which included both pro- and anti-war artwork) be taken down because it "wasn't pro-war enough."I'd suggest that this is the most egregious example, because it involves kids, albeit not in the public schools. (I'm sorry, but that's just the creepiest thing ever, as far as indoctrinating kids is concerned.) You could also take a look at this Salon article, which includes gems like this one, from a DoJ job interview:
Wes doesn't disappoint. I apply Wes 's standard and I found him not "completely truthful" and his zeal to spin for Obama and his ACORN at any cost killed his credibility already. His example is a joke. I actually went to the Jesus camp video and it looks like they are praying for George Bush as the president and chanting the pledge of allegiance to God, not to Bush! The video below is comparing Obama to Jesus in public school. Honestly, I am not surprised by Wes anymore. So I didn't bother to respond to his spin.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/23/video-children-sing-songs-of-obamas-glory/
Once again, LAI shows us that he is incapable of reading the entirety of a thread.
I already agreed that, if the video was done by a public school (and it seems that it was), the teacher needed to be disciplined and the entire school district reminded that the public schools are supposed to be non-partisan. As far as the "quiz" is concerned, I said that we need to know the school and district, so that they can be held accountable.
As far as the Bush-worship is concerned, you must have missed that part of the comment where I acknowledged that we don't seem to have any examples involving President Bush from the public schools; when I linked to the "Jesus Camp" video, I was quite specific in noting that it did not involve the public schools.
You must have also missed the comment in which I specifically said that I do not agree that teachers should enjoy full First Amendment freedoms on the job in the public schools.
HTH. HAND.
Wes,
That 's not completely truthful, using your own terminology. I watched the church video you linked and the kids simply praying for the president. I guess as a Southern Baptist, you are supposed to pray for your president. As usual, you are trying to stretch the fact to fit your spin. Just watch the video I linked for you and see the obvious difference. That is a HUGE difference between praying the president in a church camp and singing glory to Obama in public school. Only a person so zealous of spinning for Obama would try to blur the difference! Using your own standard towards others, I think it is time to come clean! Again, I am not surprised anymore. I think you are intentionally blurring the difference (or not "completely truthful") for the purpose of spinning.
Okay so what did I miss on this quiz that makes it so bad? How many Americans can't get health coverage? Is that a political question?
Can federal dollars be used for abortions? No. It is prohibited by statute.
Under Obama proposal name two things insurance companies would be prohibited from doing?
Does President Obama's proposal seem like a good one or not? Why?
Since when asking someone to listen to and comprehend a speech, given by anybody let alone Obama a partisan exercise?
kwAwk,
You are not "completely truthful" as Wes would say! One example: what are insurance companies prevented from doing? But no question about trial lawyers? No question why Obama plan may lead to health care rationing?
This is exactly using school as a propaganda for Obama. I guess the moonbats understand the constitution so well that they don't see a problem with this! I am not surprised by the willful ignorance of Obama spinners anymore. In fact, I expect them to spin.
Since when asking someone to listen to and comprehend a speech, given by anybody let alone Obama a partisan exercise?
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Do you really need me to explain to you or are intentionally spinning here?
I'd suggest that invoking a person's presence from an icon and conversing/communing with that presence is a religious exercise. While they certainly did pray a blessing upon him as well, these things you (conveniently) neglected to mention definitely take it beyond the realm of merely "praying for the President."
Um, LAI, we have a video of those kids, from the same source; Skinny put it in the original article above. Did you, once again, fail to read what we said about it before attacking? Why, yes, you did. We aren't surprised.Indeed there is! That's why my position, all along, has been that the teacher needs to be disciplined and the school district reminded that public schools are supposed to be a no-partisanship zone. I've said that 2 or 3 times in this thread, yet you keep arguing that I have a different position.The problem, as they say, is not on my end.
The point is kwawk, I assume this teacher is going to correct anybody who has a differing opinion, turning the class into another selling point on Obamacare. It's what you expect from a person who went out of their way to tape record and then show it to the class after the school had already decided not to air the speach, even adding the extra effort to put up this bullshit quiz.
By the same token, Beefcake, one of my daughter's teachers said, "If we watch that speech [Obama's speech to students], I'll be standing here at the blackboard; I'll write on the board when he says something he shouldn't." (That's a quote.)
It cuts both ways - that's why the public schools have to be firmly non-partisan.
For the record, there is still no confirmation whatsoever on this "quiz." I emailed the author of the SGP article, asking for the name of the school, but have received no reply. There is no confirmation on SGP or Michelle Malkin's site; in fact, several commentators on the latter site are saying things like "is this confirmed? If not, we'll look like fools."
You make a good point Wes, because there are often moments like that in which people rush to judgment only to be found that they were mistaken. Point in case, we've been seeing on the news (as you likely well know) about the Kentucky census worker who was found dead.
In it the police spokesman came out stating that the “cause of Sparkman’s death is under investigation, and authorities have not ruled out suicide, an accident or homicide, said Kentucky state police spokesman Don Trosper. A full medical report on Sparkman’s death is not complete.”
There was also an unsubstantiated rumor that the word 'Fed' was found on the man's chest, but before any of that was proven, we saw the Rachel Maddows and Democratic Undergrounds of the world unite in an 'it's all those crazy Republican/Fox News cultists'.
Maddow was even more despicable, because it seemed as if she was willing to ignore all other news of the day to give us moment by moment updates on whether or not this man was murdered by a Glenn Beck loving birther, much the same way she talks about abortion doctors that get murdered by an off-the-wall extreme pro-life activist. No official confirmations beyond an AP rumor and she was spent the whole hour on the census worker.
You're right, when people jump to conclusions without all of the facts in place, they're sticking their necks out there for everyone to take a hack at.
The world is losing its mind.
OMFG they’re funny.
As if looking foolish has EVER concerned these lunatics, or ever will.
Followup:
According to Fox News, the NJ Department of Education has launched an inquiry into the matter; apparently, the teacher responsible retired at the end of the last school year. The school administration should still be reprimanded for allowing this to happen, but OF COURSE the idiot fringe has to take things too far:
As far as the alleged "quiz" is concerned, there is still no verification of the story. The original source, Smart Girl Politics, has not published the name of the school, my email to the author requesting the same has not been answered, and my comments on another SGP page (which reprinted the article) asking about that information was not only ignored, but deleted without comment.
Awesome!!! Really a great quiz.. Thanks