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Friday
03Oct2008

Freedom, Classical Liberalism, and Milton Friedman

At this point in our history, as we're about to choose a new administration, and with one candidate representing the extreme left position of massive governmental intrusion while the other candidate is only half as bad, this video is worth watching.

With a disturbingly large part of the voting public being woefully uninformed, this video could be described as crucial.

Here is Milton Friedman, explaining why he is a liberal in the classical, not contemporary, sense:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6813529239937418232

Thanks to Dr. Walter Williams for providing this link.


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Did I mention that I really, really like what Friedman had to say?

October 3, 2008 at 15:20 | Registered CommenterRedbeard

Oh, come on, you people. Sheesh.

I figured that at least Wes would get in here, since he's always on the hunt for intellectuals.

October 3, 2008 at 17:16 | Registered CommenterRedbeard

[RedBeard taps foot]

Ok, at least comment on the relationship between this video and the big government bailout fiasco.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

October 4, 2008 at 09:01 | Registered CommenterRedbeard

Sorry, I'd rather not spend 28 minutes of my life watching a video about Milton Friedman. But, since you are a fan, I have a few questions...

What do you think of McCain and Palin suddenly converting to government regulation proponents? Friedman must be turning over in his grave hearing a Republican presidential candidate talk like this. It would have driven your hero crazy to hear McCain and Palin promise to clean up and reform Wall Street.

And I wish someone would call out Palin on her programmed talking points at the debate. She spoke about "getting government out of the way" and protecting "freedom" which directly contradicts her recent promises of reform. Actually, it would have been hilarious just to ask Palin what she thought of Milton Friedman's economic theories. I'm quite sure she's never heard of him. But, like she said, she's only been at this for five weeks. I'm sure the Milton Friedman chapter comes much later.

As an admitted Friedman fan, would you care to opine on any of those subjects?

October 4, 2008 at 11:06 | Unregistered CommenterThe Egg Man

I realize that you're simply being sarcastic by tossing in words like "hero" and "fan." But at least you responded.

Did you happen to notice my comment above about McCain being only half as bad as Obama? As I have repeatedly mentioned, McCain was not my choice. I will vote for him only as the lesser of two evils. More than enough less so that there has never been any doubt in my mind, but still without joy.

Friedman is indeed probably spinning in his grave over the choices we have this election. But the point of this thread is not really to hash out this election; it is more to discuss Friedman's theories and philosophy. But since you said you wouldn't watch the video, there's not much point, is there?

October 4, 2008 at 14:18 | Registered CommenterRedbeard

Well, Redbeard, I had to clear out a half-hour to watch the interview, yes? *grin*

Friedman is obviously a thinking man--I love watching interviews that run from 5th-century Greece to the Great Depression--but I must say that the changes in American business have made many of his assertions either significantly dated or wholly unstable.

Wow - the minimum wage is all a sham for the trade unions? Even if that were true when Friedman so opined, it certainly isn't true today, when a small and dwindling number of workers are union members. The minimum wage serves to set the playing field on which competition occurs for workers; those fields which do not require substantial specialized skills will see wages linger around the minimum, while businesses will pay a premium for more skilled workers. It doesn't "kill competition," as Friedman asserts, but merely levels the field.

He's dead-on-target with his perception of two supporters for any legislation--what he names "do-gooders" and "special interests"--but he fails the intellectual honesty test in not applying the same perception to politically conservative ideas. Is anyone here going to suggest, for example, that the mortgage banks and credit card industries were not "special interests" behind the abysmal bankruptcy 'reform' pushed through in the early 1990s?

His criticism of Social Security is off-target, in terms of what capitalism has become in this country. He blithely asserts that the portion of Social Security paid by the employer would "otherwise go to the employee." This is utter nonsense. We're all well aware that business will not pay anything more to employees than it absolutely must, simply because its first and only moral is to maximize profit. It would appear that Friedman made this argument at a time when the private sector was offering lifetime careers and fully-funded private pensions in addition to Social Security; that is no longer the case, I would suggest that Friedman's assertions lost their strength in that change.

The role of government in business is simple; it should define the playing field for market competition in those cases where the industries cannot regulate themselves, and it should step into the market as a player only when the private sector is unwilling or unable to serve a substantial chunk of the public with an essential service.

October 5, 2008 at 16:03 | Registered Commenterwesmorgan1

Wes, your assertions about SS contributions seem to indicate that you have never had to meet a payroll. EVERY cost of employing a person over and above actual wages is still part of the cost of employing someone. It's not free money. That's just a fact. And it most assuredly is an amount of money paid out for labor that does not see the inside of an employee's wallet. Friedman was dead on the mark.

The minimum wage is every bit as big a shell game as it was when Friedman spoke, and for precisely the same reasons that he presented in such detail.

And it appears you missed entirely the thrust of his do-gooder and special interest comments.

Every change in the economic system of America (mostly bad, over the last 30 years) only serve to bolster every single point of Friedman's philosophy.

Too many people have been wanting government to "define the playing field" and "step in" in the utopian hope of making everything fair and equitable. That's precisely what the government has been doing with mortgages for 30 years, and precisely why we're in the mortgage mess of today.

October 5, 2008 at 19:27 | Registered CommenterRedbeard

As far as Social Security is concerned, Friedman blithely asserted that the employers' contributions would otherwise have gone to the employees. That is untrue on its face.

I didn't miss his "thrust" on special interests; I merely pointed out that the notion applies to almost EVERYTHING the legislature and executive do, and that Friedman was intellectually disingenuous to suggest that it only applies to liberal programs.

Well over half of the subprime mortgages were written by companies under little or no Federal oversight. The derivatives based on those mortgages were traded without any significant oversight whatsoever. The government screwed up by taking down the walls between investment banks and retails banks (thanks, GOP) and by lowering the standards for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to play catchup in the subprime game (thanks, Dems). Let's keep in mind, though, that FM/FM wouldn't have any "bad" mortgages to buy if lenders hadn't been funding them to start with. (We've already researched the point that over half of the subprimes were written by loan originators NOT bound by the CRA, so please don't bring that chestnut out again.)

In largest part, the house of cards was built by the industry itself, and it was done in spite of the government.

October 5, 2008 at 21:26 | Registered Commenterwesmorgan1

Still you miss the concept of the actual cost of employment.

October 5, 2008 at 21:28 | Registered CommenterRedbeard

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